Hi guys whats your take of how many EICRs can be done properly in a day average of 5 to 8 circuits ranging from 1 bed flats to 3 bed houses?? This would also include travel and also doing any repairs whilst there?
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Shouldn’t imagine they care....they don’t make any money out of it....?Have any of you been in touch with your scheme provider to ask for guidance on how long an EICR should take?
I've just had some annual Gas Safety Certificates done... ÂŁ65 each... and he's in and out within an hour. Single page cerificate. That's gotta be a better business to be in than doing EICRs ?
Have any of you been in touch with your scheme provider to ask for guidance on how long an EICR should take?
Any scheme provider has a duty of care for any documents provided in their name, therefor they should provide guidance for the preparation of said documents and the time period necessary to carry out that preparation in a correct/meaningful manner, each one of you should be badgering your scheme provider for that information, and if any of you are members of unite, badger them as well, that's if you really do want something done about the five a day brigade.
Interesting view point, but not really providing a solution to the problem of the five a day brigade, you should be looking for ways to get the EICR filled out and completed in a workmanlike manner, not finding excuses for them not to do anything about it, lots of other professions have done exactly that.
It's not the time to prepare the documents that is at issue, it's the time taken to get the information filled out on those documents.
There is no solution to the "5-a-day brigade" as there is nobody policing the quality of EICRs nor are there harsh penalties for improper completion. Added to that, is the fact that they are largely subjective and rely on the 'opinion' of the tester and/or his interest, diligence or observational skills.
We need 12 month bans for improper issuance of EICRs... and re-training before you're allowed back to them !
The City & Guilds are just as bad as the schemes by allowing the get trained quick providers to devalue it's qualifications. The 2391 was meant to be an extension to and underpinned by a core qualification that was a requirement of entry to the course and exam yet every man and his dog can get the 2391 without meeting the course entry requirements if you pay the money to these quick training providers, yet the 2391 is still used as a measure of competence when it comes to inspect and test above any other qualification that may or may not be held by the operative looking for scheme assessment / membership or doing an ECIR.Any scheme provider has a duty of care for any documents provided in their name, therefor they should provide guidance for the preparation of said documents and the time period necessary to carry out that preparation in a correct/meaningful manner, each one of you should be badgering your scheme provider for that information, and if any of you are members of unite, badger them as well, that's if you really do want something done about the five a day brigade.
No, but why does being in a scheme give any credibility to EICR's carried out by a 5 a day EICR operativeDo you even actually need to be in a scheme to carry out eicrs?......
not saying it does mate, I was suggesting to mike that it’s not really a scheme issueThe City & Guilds are just as bad as the schemes by allowing the get trained quick providers to devalue it's qualifications. The 2391 was meant to be an extension to and underpinned by a core qualification that was a requirement of entry to the course and exam yet every man and his dog can get the 2391 without meeting the course entry requirements if you pay the money to these quick training providers, yet the 2391 is still used as a measure of competence when it comes to inspect and test above any other qualification that may or may not be held by the operative looking for scheme assessment / membership or doing an ECIR.
Even the recent rental landlords EICR legislation is very woolly when it comes to the qualification and experience needed to carry out an EICR
Who actually has a duty of care opens up an interesting conversation as to where the duty of care is ultimately placed as everyone involved from the landlord / housing association, letting agent, certification companies and even the tennant all have a duty of care to each other you could also throw the schemes, training providers and qualification bodies into the mix
One thing is clear that cost is a major influence to many landlords / letting agents in meeting their duty of care requirements unfortunately the cheap EICR companies don't seem to discharge their responsibilities to those ordering the EICR's with the due diligence needed to protect the landlord interests
How the quality of ECIR's can be policed is a difficult one as the CP schemes have clearly lost their focus since the introduction of Part P in favour of improving their balance sheet,
Whether a combination of the local housing authority requiring rental EICR's to be notified and individual rather company registration for carrying out EICR's would help is another debate.
May be it needs a system similar to MOT testers only being able to carry out 1 MOT every 45 minutes is needed, you would log on tell the system the number of circuits and it would adjust the timings as to how long it would be before you could log on for the next EICR throw in some spot checks by location checking if you are not on site for the duration of the ECIR then what are you doing or cross checking with the landlord, letting agent or tenant
It's unfortunate that somebody needs to die or be seriously injured before there is any action Part P was supposed to improve the industry but before it's true effects could be analysed the 17th edition introduced RCD's on everything couple that with the quick training courses that appeared and the only point of reference we have is the number of CU's that suffer spontaneous combustion in the LFB area
Would anybody like to hazard a guess as to how many non compliant supposedly compliant installations there are out there with a a valid EICR because at 4 or 5 a day there must be a good number of problems slipping through the net
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No, but why does being in a scheme give any credibility to EICR's carried out by a 5 a day EICR operative
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