How many eicr in a day

[magnoliafan89]

Hi guys whats your take of how many EICRs can be done properly in a day average of 5 to 8 circuits ranging from 1 bed flats to 3 bed houses?? This would also include travel and also doing any repairs whilst there?

 

[pirate]

This is a very interesting thread. My tuppence worth is simply that no matter what industry or profession is involved, the problem is simply the setting of "targets".
Worry over losing your job means "targets" can change the way someone does their job.
The banking and insurance business are other prime examples of targets making people do things they wouldn't normally do, or omit things they know they ought to do.
Targets are evil. I won't bore you with examples, but much misery has been caused by them, and greed and the imposition of targets caused the crash of 2008, and the scandal of mis-sold endowment policies is further clear evidence. Those scandals were bad enough, with financial ruin for many...in your profession as electricians death is a possible consequence...
Targets are evil.

 

[ForkEnigma]

Hi guys whats your take of how many EICRs can be done properly in a day average of 5 to 8 circuits ranging from 1 bed flats to 3 bed houses?? This would also include travel and also doing any repairs whilst there?

I've always priced at 40mins a circuit.

 

[7029 dave]

This is a very interesting thread. My tuppence worth is simply that no matter what industry or profession is involved, the problem is simply the setting of "targets".
Worry over losing your job means "targets" can change the way someone does their job.
The banking and insurance business are other prime examples of targets making people do things they wouldn't normally do, or omit things they know they ought to do.
Targets are evil. I won't bore you with examples, but much misery has been caused by them, and greed and the imposition of targets caused the crash of 2008, and the scandal of mis-sold endowment policies is further clear evidence. Those scandals were bad enough, with financial ruin for many...in your profession as electricians death is a possible consequence...
Targets are evil.

All company's are obsessed with targets, its the bain of everyday working lives for all, quality suffers, morale.
IMO you cant have quality and quantity the two just dont mix.

 

[Mike Johnson]

Of course companies are obsessed with targets, they try to set them at a realistic level, usually in consultation with the Union or workforce representative, companies need to know they are getting value for money, in days gone by I can remember a neighbour who talked extensively about how long he spent playing cards behind some packing case's, the company he worked for was a large multinational called AEG who no longer exist, I wonder why, if targets had existed then the company would have been making money instead of throwing it away on lazy employees.

 

[7029 dave]

Of course companies are obsessed with targets, they try to set them at a realistic level, usually in consultation with the Union or workforce representative, companies need to know they are getting value for money, in days gone by I can remember a neighbour who talked extensively about how long he spent playing cards behind some packing case's, the company he worked for was a large multinational called AEG who no longer exist, I wonder why, if targets had existed then the company would have been making money instead of throwing it away on lazy employees.

I was just waiting for an answer like yours. lol
Anyway the point is about this very debate, achievable targets loads of comments about how 5 EICR's are not possible, my point is if they were met then it would not be 5 it would be 10, you must understand about the concept of targets, its about greed, not the very small percent about lazy oiks.

 

[Baddegg]

Of course companies are obsessed with targets, they try to set them at a realistic level, usually in consultation with the Union or workforce representative, companies need to know they are getting value for money, in days gone by I can remember a neighbour who talked extensively about how long he spent playing cards behind some packing case's, the company he worked for was a large multinational called AEG who no longer exist, I wonder why, if targets had existed then the company would have been making money instead of throwing it away on lazy employees.

I was a stevedore for many years and spent many happy years playing cards on ships ?.....the company introduced a target system which resulted in damage and injuries as people took short cuts to meet the targets to get a bonus of get home earlier, once the company had sorted these issues and got productivity to a point they were happy with they removed the targets and rewards associated and constantly pushed for more in the hope that productivity would remain.....they didn’t.....

 

[7029 dave]

I was just waiting for an answer like yours. lol
Anyway the point is about this very debate, achievable targets loads of comments about how 5 EICR's are not possible, my point is if they were met then it would not be 5 it would be 10, you must understand about the concept of targets, its about greed, not the very small percent about lazy oiks.

Quality too, I have seen it happen with my own eyes.

 

[Mike Johnson]

Its not a very small percentage of lazy oiks that send a successful company bankrupt or targets that cause accidents or damage it's the workforce trying to earn more money because of the way the unions had negotiated the targets and bonus system, don't get me wrong all of these systems and targets where a necessary evil in their day when the unions had the power to hold companies to ransom, perhaps I am a bit older than most on here and remember the unions holding the country to ransom on occasions, the piles of rotting waste along every street was not very nice especially with the power cuts at the same time, then the petrol shortage cause by pickets at the gates of depots etc......................

As a comment try telling Toyota that quality and quantity don't mix, or come to that any Japanese car manufacturer.

 

[UNG]

Of course companies are obsessed with targets, they try to set them at a realistic level, usually in consultation with the Union or workforce representative, companies need to know they are getting value for money, in days gone by I can remember a neighbour who talked extensively about how long he spent playing cards behind some packing case's, the company he worked for was a large multinational called AEG who no longer exist, I wonder why, if targets had existed then the company would have been making money instead of throwing it away on lazy employees.

AEG no longer exist because the company was bought up and it's operations integrated into other companies, it's something happens a lot you might have missed it while you were playing cards

 

[Mike Johnson]

Successful companies do not get bought out, they go into receivership when they are no longer viable, AEG's assets where bought by Electrolux from the receiver.

 

[UNG]

Successful companies do not get bought out, they go into receivership when they are no longer viable, AEG's assets where bought by Electrolux from the receiver.

Successful companies do get bought out usually by a hostile takeover
So Daimler-Benz took over AEG in 1985 and Electrolux acquired the AEG household division in 1994 but only obtained the rights to use the brand name in 2005. When did Daimler-Benz go into receivership then?

 

[Mike Johnson]

No idea, I am not trying to start an argument, it was just an opinion on the EICR results and how many should be done in a day, seems we have got way off track.

 

[7029 dave]

No idea, I am not trying to start an argument, it was just an opinion on the EICR results and how many should be done in a day, seems we have got way off track.

Well how many EICR can you do in a day legit?.

 

[Mike Johnson]

I have already said previously that when I did this it took me about two days for a three bedroom house with full inspection and documentation, but then I worked at my own speed with no one looking over my shoulder.

 

[Electrics]

The City & Guilds are just as bad as the schemes by allowing the get trained quick providers to devalue it's qualifications. The 2391 was meant to be an extension to and underpinned by a core qualification that was a requirement of entry to the course and exam yet every man and his dog can get the 2391 without meeting the course entry requirements if you pay the money to these quick training providers, yet the 2391 is still used as a measure of competence when it comes to inspect and test above any other qualification that may or may not be held by the operative looking for scheme assessment / membership or doing an ECIR.

I don't see why that would make C&G bad. The adult training providers provide the exact same training an apprentice gets but in a condensed time frame. It's literally exactly the same - if you can do what an apprentice can do after 3 years you pass, if not, you don't.

The real problem is the lack of on-site experience and tutelage under an already-qualified spark.

But that's not the training providers fault. Anyone wanting to get into the industry has no chance after age 21 without these providers.

If anything i would have thought someone paying out almost ten grand to retrain would be more dedicated than your average 'stand on my phone all day fanying about' 16 year old.

I think it should be changed to make the quals line up with electricians mate work. Do the C&G and then it's a mandatory 2 years as a mate whilst doing the NVQ before you can work alone. That would seem more reasonable to me.

But the C&G is 90% theory and so you either know it or you don't. There's no reason it cannot be condensed from the 1 day a week over 2 years into a 16 week full-time course.