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Seeing as inverters don't like heat nor dust, the loft space doesn't really seem like the ideal location for an inverter. I wonder where installers are tending to install their inverters? Are they upgrading the cable size and installing in the garage?

If practical, we always try to install in the garage and I'll be interested to hear other installers thoughts on this.
 
Sixty two PV jobs and only one loft mounted inverter and that was a loft insulated at high level.
We always use bigger cables.
The inverter is easier to work on and better for customers and complies with manufacturers instructions.
 
Depends on the location, we mainly install in the loft, having said that the next one is going downstairs as there isnt a lot of room in the loft.

Downstairs/garage/anywere other than the loft seems to make sense and is easier to work on.
 
Generally 6mm twin and earth for AC side , even on smaller systems, and we usually replace the mains board with an RCBO filled board as part of the PV project at 5% VAT as associated works. Usually 6mm for DC side. Volt drop never an issue on either side.

We are ECA members and they are not keen on split RCD, 17th edition boards due to reg 314.2.

The customer then gets a certificate covering the whole property. They get a far better job, no other circuit ever takes out the PV system.
Less circuit time off = better returns.
The customer knows we went the extra mile, we get recommended , the ball keeps rolling....faster

Obviously we are using Sanyo (90% of time) and doing the RCBO board so our profit is not as good as some companies using lesser equipment but long term our customers will gain and so therefore should we. We are still servicing our 20year electrical customer base and will still be around after the PV bubble bursts so have taken the decision to not drop below a certain standard.

Like you we have lost jobs to people claiming Sharp, Kioto, Kyocera ,Dimplex, Upsolar and Yingli are the dogs dangly bits but these customers will work out in time they have been hoodwinked, usually by a suited shark.

We give out lists of thirty customer installation photographs with phone numbers and tell the prospective customer to contact one one , some or all of them at the time we do the survey, we also hand them the Sanyo test results, and OKO and Photon reports so that if someone else is quoting they know the truth about products promoted by others.
We also tell them we can give them another thirty contact details if they want them and point them towards the testimonials on the web site.
Then we send them a quote.

We also have customers whose systems are over a year old which helps when some competitor (clown) tries to sell a 4kW system producing 6000 kWhrs a year !
 
I might be about to rock the boat but I don't have any major hang ups over inverters in lofts but only those that are rated to do so, and there's more of them than you realise.

Take the Sunnyboy HF range. Operating temperatures of -25C to 60C (-13F to 140F) I've worked in lofts in the height of summer with a plumber sweating joints with a blow torch all day and the loft didn't exceed them temperatures.

I avoid fan cooled inverters any way as it's just another bit to fail in the future so most have substantial heat sinks. No threat of dust ingress due to IP ratings.

Now I know some will not agree and I have no big issue with that either. It's what you feel comfortable with at the end of the day. There's never the option to just do loft or garage at the end of the day. If the CU is in the kitchen cupboard for argument sake I'm sure a inverter siting on the worktop would be questioned! (I am joking here)
 
Im just about to do an in roof, inverter will be in the loft purely because it a big space, short DC run, limited space in the garage for an inverter. 6mm T&E on a short run (8m) to a new board (replacing redundant off peak heating). Choice will always be based on survey, no way to state preference as each job will be different.
 
Why go for such big cables? I use sunny design and it telly you exactly which size cables to use on the AC and DC sides and it rarely requires more than 2.5mm.

I use SMA inverters and will happily mount them in a loft. If there is a garage available as is often the case in bungalows then I will always go for the garage. I always mount a loft inveter within reach of the loft ladder so that you don't need to climb into the loft to access safety switches. I always supply a sunny beam bluetooth display so that the customer can monitor performance.

I've read everything possible about these SANYO HIT panels and they are simply smaller than other panels! I welcome anyone pointing me towards some evidence that they generate more electricity in the same conditions as a Sharp or other mono of the same rating. More efficient sounds sexy but only relates to kWp/area ratio, not performance - please correct me if I'm wrong!
 
I have always taken regulation 314.2 for safety service not really for PV but PV seems to be a totally different section of the electrical industry.

I have to be honest and say that it does not sit well with me advising a customer that their RCD protected board is not compliant with a section of the Regulations and that an upgrade to RCBOs is recommended. With the extra cost of this I'm suprised contracts are won.
 
How would you answer a question from an ECA inspector whose asks on a site of four luxury houses in the New Forest, in 2008, all at different stages of completion ...

How are you going to comply with Regulation 314.2 ?

There then follows a quick peek at the regs book and a long discussion in which we were advised RCBO filled boards are the only way to comply with that regulation. Therefore thats all we do. If you can read and interpret that particular regulation in any other way please let me know and I will take it up with them at my next inspection.

A lot of boards we are replacing have no RCDs, some have no MCBs and occasionally we have a wooden fusebox. Thats rural Dorset for you !
 
Well I would take 314.2 as when it say seperately controlled could mean a PV system. But IMO the regluation was written for to mean safety services such as UPS, Fire Alarms, as the very last part of the Reg stresses

"and due account shall be taken of the consequneces of a sinlge protection device"

Which to me means that a failure of a fire alarm and even a UPS in certain conditions, ie Emergency room or operating theatre of an hospital, can have these consequencies, if these systems were installed on a single protection device, and in a domestic case an RCD covering a bank of MCBs. not losing a few quid FIT.

After all as far as I was aware all invertors will close down if there is an interruption of a supply for safey reasons.

As for the insitance of changing a BS 3036 board for an installation. I can not see how that is warrented unless a full PIR had been done to ascertain the condition of the board and it's installation. Does not the ECA recognise as standard that you could Henley block the main tails into the CU and then fit a small enclosure with a double pole switch and a RCBO if you wish.

Or perhaps if there were a spare way in the BS 3036 CU, to take a sub circuit from the CU to a small RCD enclosure. Both these practices are within the regulations and are an accepted practice within the electrical industy, but not the ECA I see.
 
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One the subject of location of the inverter, I am just about to do my first install for my MCS assessment. The property has had a loft conversion and there is really limited space in the eaves - I wouldn't even fit the inverter through the small loft hatch. The garage is detached at the bottom of the garden? I was thinking about putting it in the loft room itself but am concerned about the noise levels - it is a Sunny Boy 2000HF. Does anyone have any ideas or experience of exactly how noisy the inverter will be during the day!
 
Going back to 314.2 - if RCBOs are the only way to comply what are all the CU manufacturers doing with Dual RCD CU's then. I've heard of a college lecturer having the same interpretation.

On the ECA 17th Edition course they look at all the different CU configurations and DO NOT say RCBOs are the only way.
 

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