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I found this JB in the loft, the mice have eaten the JB cover as well as some of the wiring, but aside all that in your opinion do you think the JB is overloaded?

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Obviously not to some, as there are still probably 100s fitted incorrectly.
I'd say that's probably in the hundreds of thousands.
But well into the millions done correctly.
I don't presume the majority of workers are to blame. I Know we see the tip of the iceberg of bad installs on here but very, very few of the decent installations carried out are brought to light.
I would rather be experienced than qualified.
I've a preference for both.
 
My question was in using them without an enclosure at all.

Also, I think the enclosure would have to be stamped MF if used as BS 5733 Maintenance Free box.
Do they have to be stamped MF or just reach the criteria, certainly the Wago box's are not stamped, but do reach the standard, but then are they meant to be maintenance free, the lighting junction box's for downlighter's in a ceiling for instance can be pulled down to change a downlighter and none of the one's I have available are stamped MF.

Seems it was added at the last amendment to 526.3.

526.3 Every connection shall be accessible for inspection, testing and maintenance except for the following:
(i) A joint designed to be buried in the ground
(ii) A compound-filled or encapsulated joint
(iii) A connection between a cold tail and the heating element as in ceiling heating, floor heating or a trace heating system
(iv) A joint made by welding, soldering, brazing or appropriate compression tool
(v) Joints or connections made in equipment by the manufacturer of the product and not intended to be inspected or maintained
(vi) Equipment complying with BS 5733 for maintenance-free accessory and marked with the symbol and installed in accordance with the manufacturer’s instructions.
 
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Do they have to be stamped MF or just reach the criteria, certainly the Wago box's are not stamped, but do reach the standard, but then are they meant to be maintenance free, the lighting junction box's for downlighter's in a ceiling for instance can be pulled down to change a downlighter and none of the one's I have available are stamped MF.

Seems it was added at the last amendment to 526.3.

526.3 Every connection shall be accessible for inspection, testing and maintenance except for the following:
(i) A joint designed to be buried in the ground
(ii) A compound-filled or encapsulated joint
(iii) A connection between a cold tail and the heating element as in ceiling heating, floor heating or a trace heating system
(iv) A joint made by welding, soldering, brazing or appropriate compression tool
(v) Joints or connections made in equipment by the manufacturer of the product and not intended to be inspected or maintained
(vi) Equipment complying with BS 5733 for maintenance-free accessory and marked with the symbol and installed in accordance with the manufacturer’s instructions.

It may be worth having a look on the Wago site, To be compliant when fitting MF Wago It's not just a case of chucking the connections inside and snapping the lid shut, you have to follow the manufacture's instructions including doing the calcs.
 
It may be worth having a look on the Wago site, To be compliant when fitting MF Wago It's not just a case of chucking the connections inside and snapping the lid shut, you have to follow the manufacture's instructions including doing the calcs.

And the cable tie 😀
 
And the cable tie 😀
There was also a thing about using the proper mount, instead of whacking a screw through it, if I remember correctly.


Cheaper just to crimp and put in a used chewing gum container with some ties :)
 
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MF connections have their place but I only tend to use them as a last resort and still prefer any joint to be accessible if possible, at an accessory or outlet is my preferred method. Spent too many hours trying to locate faults on hidden joints!

A cable tie is currently holding my gear linkage together and has been for around 250miles as its in such an inaccessible position I couldn't get in it fix it properly, I could just get one hand to the damn thing and a tie. Managed to get it round the linkage and do it up one handed with a lot of cursing and swearing!
Sy
 
It's a sad state of affairs when one piddly little cable tie makes the difference between a box being considered maintenance free or not.
Well I can't open a Wago box without a screwdriver inserted under the lid and levering the thing open, the lid clips are certainly tough.
 

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