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Roger, if someone forcibly displaced the people in Kent backed by 2 very big and powerful armies because of what an old book said would you say 50 years later that they had a right to be there?

If the then occupying people allowed the people of Kent to live on a patch of land which would be bit by bit taken away from them would you say this was acceptable?

If the newcomers decided that the people of Kent could not control their own borders or have the right to decide what they can and cannot do, where they can and cannot go within that land allocated to them, how would you feel?

Suppose the Kentish people felt aggrieved at their treatment and started throwing rocks at the newcomers which resulted in several of them being shot do you think it's expected that the dispute would escalate especially when the newcomers are armed to the teeth by their big brother overseas and are not scared to use the weaponry supplied to them.

I also support a 2 state solution because I don't think the Israelis will voluntarily move but I can't accept the killing of children by nail bombs (how they are supposed to collapse a tunnel I have no idea) or the calls by an Israeli politician for all Palestinian mothers to be killed together with their little snakes.

Well Kents are only southerners Trev, now if it was the Democratic Republic of South Shields we are talking about I would be behind you all the way lol.

Seriously, You are right there is no doubt the Palestine/Israel issue has been handled badly right from the off, I can't imagine how things must be for the people living there under such atrocious conditions, more on the Palestinian side than the Israeli, but Israel was created legally and they have a right to be there, where else would they go? . If I remember my history correctly the Jews lived in Palestine for thousands of years and they were falling out even then, which was why the Jewish state was created in an effort to separate them, along with the wave of guilt that the world was feeling over the Holocaust. In this respect Israel is the Kent of your scenario, a small enclave surrounded by enemies, if Kent had the weapons, would they fight back? Israel are strong because they have had to be. Yes atrocity's have been committed by both sides over the years, there has been as much --- as there has tat, I don't really want to get into a historical debate about who did what to who first, It's just a minefield and well out of control but I thought both sides had a chance to reach a settlement until Hamas entered the picture.
I hadn't heard about the nail bombs and little snakes, terrible, there is so much spin coming across from both sides it's hard to pick out the truth.
 
Never trust a towel head has been a saying of mine for many years. Its just one of those things that will never get totally sorted Conservatives and labour, The Northern ireland conflict, Electricians and Plasterers Leave them too it and dont get involved.
 
It might well be the case that it never gets sorted but that's no reason not to feel revulsion at children being killed and maimed.
 
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But most Israeli leaders were terrorists killing British soldiers in Aden and you can't say what's done is done now they are there .So if I move into your 3rd bedroom you would accept it as I ha e like ed there twenty years now ,I don't think so
 
Can we start a chat about Gazza
There was a newspaper article showing him sunbathing on his balcony. All I'll say is he lives around here but thanks to the picture the press have broadcast to the whole world exactly where he lives, which I feel is an invasion of his privacy which he could do without.
 
It is every ones duty to defend mankind against himself. To defend mankind against that extraordinary temptation toward inhumanity to which almost without being aware of it so many humans today have yielded. In a world governed by the logic of profit and marketability, society increasingly finds little of value in humanity. Our insecurity in the face of this duty will be our downfall. Mankind will never win if the terms of the debate are dictated by troublesome, delusional, over opinionated, self serving politicians with over-clocked ape brains. Nothing is impossible, except the state of mind that makes it so! So to engage in accurate moral judgments, we have to ditch the bullsh!ttery and deal with the actual world of events. This is where it gets complicated! In the desert that is solitude I sometimes let my mind wander, a necessary prerequisite to disciplined thinking, over the experiences that have provoked my considerable ambivalence regarding this problem. And I put my hand up and admit, I still haven’t come up with a solution to this problem. It’s like being trapped within a paradoxical riddle. But I do know the battle will be decided between our conscious minds and the desires of the subconscious. The evil within is too strong so the only way to defeat it, will be to deny it battle. The Israelis and the Palestinians will be judge by the intentions of their actions, and by the strength with which they faced the moral challenges that have stood in their way. Does it not say somewhere that the unrighteous & unjust shall not inherit the Kingdom of God?
 
Some words from those poor downtrodden Israeli politicians and journalists who just want to live in peace.
We must blow Gaza back to the middle ages destroying all the infrastructure including roads and water- Eli Yisha (Knesset member and one of four deputy prime ministers)
There should be no electricity in Gaza, no gasoline, no moving vehicles, nothing...we need to flatten entire neighbourhoods..flatten all of Gaza-Gilad Sharon (in the Jerusalem Post)
There are no innocents in Gaza, kill the Gazans without thought or mercy- Michael Ben-Ari (Knesset member)
Gaza should be bombed so hard that the population has to flee into Egypt- Israel Katz (Minister of transportation)
 
But at least they haven't said the nation should be wiped of the face of the earth, as Hamas have said about Israel.

Have to agree with the consensus that Israel military leaders have gone ott with the indirect fire & air bombings.
If you lob an M109 155mm shell into a street you will get collateral damage & casualties, both the Israelis & Hamas know this.

Funny how we haven't hard anything from Megalomaniac Blair who is the big money maker in the middle east peace talks since leaving number 10...........oh yes he's doing it all for free.

What ever happens I hope my cousins & 2 kids are ok, both are now boots on the ground, while my cousin takes shelter daily in the basement shelter from the regular Grad missile attacks.
 
But at least they haven't said the nation should be wiped of the face of the earth, as Hamas have said about Israel.
my cousin takes shelter daily in the basement shelter from the regular Grad missile attacks.

We must blow Gaza back to the middle ages destroying all the infrastructure including roads and water- Eli Yisha (Knesset member and one of four deputy prime ministers)

There should be no electricity in Gaza, no gasoline, no moving vehicles, nothing...we need to flatten entire neighbourhoods..flatten all of Gaza-Gilad Sharon (in the Jerusalem Post)
There are no innocents in Gaza, kill the Gazans without thought or mercy- Michael Ben-Ari (Knesset member)
Gaza should be bombed so hard that the population has to flee into Egypt- Israel Katz (Minister of transportation)
Didn't you read those quotes? These are supposedly educated people calling for the destruction of a people and where they live. Meanwhile people like your cousin and children are living in fear. You can bet your life none of that lot are huddled in shelters.
Besides, Iron Dome (largely financed and built by good old Uncle SAM) is ensuring very few of the misslies fired from Palestinian territory get through
 
See Hamas rejected the ceasefire again, didn't even hear the BBCs 'impartiality' report mention that even very quietly this time
 

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