Issueing "danger notices"

[Octopus]

So who does these and why?

This has been passed to me for my comments by a customer:

The "issue" is lack of end to end continuity of one of the socket circuits - I don't think this is a sensible use of a danger notice.

Do you?

 

[SJD]

The "Dangerous Condition" is "N/A", therefore there is no reason given, it is not even filled out correctly.

But I agree, lack of end-to-end continuity is not a sensible reason.

 

[westward10]

I have rarely issued one of these, it is not very often you come across something which warrants immediate attention and in this case certainly not.

 

[sevuk]

Dangerous condition: n/a

Customer has lived with it for four years...

This guy needs a lesson in report writing. Sounds like the beginning of a really boring novella.

 

[Andy78]

I issue danger notices sometimes, I did one last week.
I usually reserve them for issues that would attract a C1 on an inspection where no immediate rectification is possible for whatever reason.

Just looked and I have 12 danger notifications in my files. 11 of them are for access to live parts less than IP2X without the use of a tool or key, and one is for a lack of main earth to a property where the customer was insistent I could crack on and install the wall lights he wanted. I issued that one to provoke a bit of thought.

The one in the OP should never have been a danger notice.

 

[freddo]

I don't use them often, I think I have issued 4 in the last 11 years.

 

[The Ghost]

The last time I used one of them is when the cut-out was hanging off the wall, water had penetrated the consumer units, wiring was burnt out, verdigree on terminals, old cloth covered tails soaking wet, IR readings of <1 Mohm, Consumer units rotted away (old wylex), exposed live parts, main fuse had blown (replaced by DNO), no lighting, difficult access (cellar with no stairs)...need I go on?

 

[snowhead]

The last time I used one of them is when the cut-out was hanging off the wall, water had penetrated the consumer units, wiring was burnt out, verdigree on terminals, old cloth covered tails soaking wet, IR readings of <1 Mohm, Consumer units rotted away (old wylex), exposed live parts, main fuse had blown (replaced by DNO), no lighting, difficult access (cellar with no stairs)...need I go on?

Nothing too serious then.

 

[Des 56]

Am I right in thinking firstly that these notices need to be signed by the customer ?
I personally see no situation where these notices serve any purpose,I suspect they probably would not be acceptable for any legal proceedings

I honestly see no purpose at all in issuing these notices

 

[freddo]

I think they are mostly just a quick way of informing the customer in writing, the customer signs to say they have been informed. Any fires, shocks, deaths etc. after that then it's the customers fault.

 

[kingeri]

I have never done one but I have put my concerns in writing to awkward customers before, kind of the same thing really I suppose.

 

[Dave OCD]

I'd always try to deal with anything really dodgy there and then.

 

[Risteard]

Very seldom.

In the past year or so two that I can think of.

One Electrical Danger Notification for exposed live parts at a DB that they were adamant that they would rectify themselves. (Once the Danger Notification came through the door I had another phonecall asking what they needed to do to rectify it - which proved my belief that they had no sense of urgency about it before.)

And one Notice of Potential Hazard (the equivalent notice in the south of Ireland) when the incoming neutral tail was switched through the MCB for the immersion heater and the entire return path for the installation was through the Main Protective Conductor (which was also undersized) to the DSO's PEN conductor. It was established that this had been done to bypass the ESB meter. Although a rented premises, there was a distinct lack of urgency in addressing it.

 

[1Justin]

I do one now and then. The last was for "Potential danger" in a rented property on TT without up-front RCD and ~ 100 Ohm Ra. It was the nicest way I could put it since the tenants were running about oblivious. Without it I suspect nothing would have happened. (Maybe it still hasn't).

 

[7029 dave]

They are ok, for bringing unsafe situations for the attention to the client, cover --- so to speak.