Just look at the overhang!

[Darkwood]

I was so apprehensive of opening this thread ... going by the title i thought it was going to be a pic of you tea bagging and bragging ..PHEW!!!!...

 

[JulianC]

Seriously fella, time to start explaining why I should stop 'digging'!

I think Saint pretty much summed it up with his post. Your arguments as to the unviability of PV in the UK are neither relevant nor accurate.

 

[D Skelton]

Listen mate, don't just sit there comfortably tapping away telling me I'm wrong, explain how! People have asked for elaboration and I have elaborated, I have provided the knowledge I have on solar panels as well as data from manufacturers. At least afford me the same courtesy! I'll concede that my points are irrelevent to the content of the OP as I have digressed somewhat from the main topic, but my points are accurate none the less.

If I'm wrong then provide some sort of evidece that supports that claim and I'll listen, until then, I will continue to think that people who blindly sing the praises of a power source that has been proven to be highly innefficient are slightly mad!

If you are going to make money from installing it then why not, if you or the customer are going to get a good deal out of doing so then even better! but don't sit there telling me that solar power is the best thing since sliced bread because that would simply be a lie!

 

[JulianC]

It's no great secret and the information is freely available. See here for starters: Solar electricity PV (photovoltaic) panels explained - benefits, costs, savings, earnings, suitability

Don't confuse your ignorance of the subject as evidence that it's a waste of time (I don't wish that to sound rude so please don't take offence). Cell level efficiencies are irrelevant in so far as you are not paying for sunlight, therefore the amount of light a panel converts to electricity is not relevant (available roof space notwithstanding).

My 3.7kW is not ideally sited (split over a south and west roof at 50 degrees), shaded at times, will generate around 3000kWh per annum and will pay for itself in around 7 years. That's a fact, not information copied and pasted from the internet.

 

[D Skelton]

My 3.7kW is not ideally sited (split over a south and south-west roof at 50 degrees), shaded at times, will generate around 3000kWh per annum and will pay for itself in around 7 years. That's a fact, not information copied and pasted from the internet.

Fact from where? I have a friend with a 3kW system (all south east facing) and his produces roughly a third of that?! Explain that?

 

[jason121]

Fact from where? I have a friend with a 3kW system (all south east facing) and his produces roughly a third of that?! Explain that?

Installed between two houses that's why

 

[D Skelton]

Installed between two houses that's why

Nope, completely unshaded. Decent panels, correct inverter for the system, good installation, reputable installer.

 

[JulianC]

Nope, completely unshaded. Decent panels, correct inverter for the system, good installation, reputable installer.

Well either one of more of those things is untrue or there's a fault. Unfortunately my blind, remote diagnostics don't extend much beyond that so your mate would probably be better served by getting someone in to have a look.

 

[ExtremePV]

D Skelton...
Please return to your flat earth where global warming doesn't exist.

I welcome sensible debate but fail to understand why someone who is obviously so ill informed, skim reads google results and obviously has no interest in solar is posting here?

Your 'facts' are wrong...period. PV panels aren't 30% efficient...they are 15-20% efficient, but ********...you look at the headline % figure to base your opinion on.
Solar does work, is financially viable and is an important but often overlooked part of our future energy supply. These stupid comments are damaging, as there are too many other lazy, armchair experts out there who start quoting this crap as fact.

I take it you don't drive a car? They are obviously equally useless due to there 30% efficiency.

I'm posting this as I feel it is important that information posted online is factual. Anybody reading this thread in the future...please ignore ******* comments and do your own proper research.

Ken

 

[tidyboiler]

I think they look as ugly as those windmills that don't even turn, and blight our green and pleasant land. :boxing_smiley:

 

[Gary K]

Fact from where? I have a friend with a 3kW system (all south east facing) and his produces roughly a third of that?! Explain that?

I would suggest he gets an "expert" in to look at the system.

If you look at the link in my signature, you can see what a half decent system generates

 

[onions1066]

There only one way to sort this out...............................................fight

 

[D Skelton]

D Skelton...
Please return to your flat earth where global warming doesn't exist.

This has got nothing to do with global warming?! It has to do with solar panels. If you must know however then my view, based upon plenty of fact, is that we humans are not responsible for climate change, our impact on the planet is a drop in the ocean compared to the chemicals the planet pumps in to the atmosphere itself! Our money should be spent on what to do when the ice caps do melt, rather than some sort of useless attempt to prevent it from happening! Not that it's relevant to the debate, although I probably have 'pot' and 'kettle' syndrome by saying that after what I have done to the thread.

I welcome sensible debate but fail to understand why someone who is obviously so ill informed, skim reads google results and obviously has no interest in solar is posting here?

Yes, I'm sorry, you're right, all I did was skim read google! I have no experience of reading the masses of complaints out there from people who are confused as to why their PV system isn't performing as they were told it would!

Your 'facts' are wrong...period. PV panels aren't 30% efficient...they are 15-20% efficient, but like every expert idiot...you look at the headline % figure to base your opinion on.

Haha, brilliant, so they are even worse that I thought! You prove my own point!

Solar does work, is financially viable and is an important but often overlooked part of our future energy supply. These stupid comments are damaging, as there are too many other lazy, armchair experts out there who start quoting this crap as fact.

If we're going down this road then no, they don't work, not as a viable alternative to energy production! They help, a little, but that's it! Future energy supply will be nuclear, end of, and any money invested in renewable energy should go into hydrogen research, thats my two cents anyway

I take it you don't drive a car? They are obviously equally useless due to there 30% efficiency.

yeah, cars are crap as they are, when they are all fuelled with hydrogen then they will be better, your point is?

I'm posting this as I feel it is important that information posted online is factual. Anybody reading this thread in the future...please ignore******* comments and do your own proper research.

All you do is devalue any credibility you could have by using disparaging language political dogma as ammunition instead of factual and intellectual debate. More fool you.

 

[JulianC]

This post is nothing to do with proving whether or not pv is worth fitting and everything to do with who's ego is massaged the most in having the last word. This is my go. I fear I shall not win...

 

[D Skelton]

This post is nothing to do with proving whether or not pv is worth fitting

It was, up until everyone started chirping up with "You're an idiot", "You don't have a clue what you're on about" and "Your facts are wrong", without anyone actually showing me otherwise!

I understand I may have rocked the boat a little by speaking out on the solar section about the fact that PV isn't all it's cracked up to be, but treating me with the same contempt as you would someone who has murdered a member of your family just seems odd to me! lol