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Graeme Harrold
Shingles........mine turned to meningitis about 6 years ago, ended up in hospital for 2 weeks on some pretty strong antibiotics. Take it easy and fully recover before getting back to work...
David Cameron was tackled on the FIT fiasco this morning:
David Cameron Accused Over Feed-In Tariffs By Angry Businesswoman
David Cameron Accused Over Feed-In Tariffs By Angry Businesswoman
"Every one home that gets the 43p rate means there are two homes that cannot get the 21p rate"
An interesting point. I wonder if he had considered the reality: That the two homes that can't get it done at 21p don't want it doing anyway.
It's a ridiculous stance to take. If this is all we need consider, then why not making it 10p. That way we will get four houses for the price of one.
I can't stand to listen to the bloke. He looks like a waxwork model of Frank Spencer that has been left too close to a radiator and I don't think I have ever seen a face so utterly punchable in all my days.
An interesting point. I wonder if he had considered the reality: That the two homes that can't get it done at 21p don't want it doing anyway.
It's a ridiculous stance to take. If this is all we need consider, then why not making it 10p. That way we will get four houses for the price of one.
I can't stand to listen to the bloke. He looks like a waxwork model of Frank Spencer that has been left too close to a radiator and I don't think I have ever seen a face so utterly punchable in all my days.
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TedM
At least DECC have realised that the budget is blown.
The "Every one home that gets the 43p rate means there are two homes that cannot get the 21p rate" isn't even logically or mathematically correct either. If one gets 43p compared to 2 getting 21p then only 1 home is missing out.
The "Every one home that gets the 43p rate means there are two homes that cannot get the 21p rate" isn't even logically or mathematically correct either. If one gets 43p compared to 2 getting 21p then only 1 home is missing out.
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SRE
I saw this on BBC News this morning and thought she made a really good argument she wouldn't let DC of the hook at all.
What is interesting is that her business is promoting and selling at 21p and hussling people to sign up before the 31st January to secure the deal - so what she's saying and what she's doing are 2 completely different things. Her company also claims you can save £350 off electricity bills by using what is generated. I work from home and have saved 25%.
She made a good argument today but certainly doesn't speak for me, I'd hate to be associated with those sales tactics!
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solarsparkie
TedM if you were going to look at it as a subsidy correctly then you would have to take the rate of electric 14p from 3p x 0.75 is the value to the general consumer give 8.25p value back so effective neagative impact 43 less 8.25 cost 34.75p and therefore at 21 - 8.25 = 12.75p is a 2/3rd ish cut in costs i do believe this is mathematically correctish although the 21p stinks and I dont agree its a good thing
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solarsparkie
but could they let us know where all the people are that will buy top quality gear that will last the 25 years to meet the governments targets for solar check out ofgem1843 document june this year
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GoB2Bservices
The MAIN point is the appetite seems to be there for the government to judge that the money has(?) run out (Their budget is obviously allowed to alter at the drop of a hat for Libya or Euro-saving reasons!).
Also the old £9 BILLION that was mentioned back in 2008 that was discussed as a European Utility Company Profit windfall tax is being conveniently overlooked by Greg Barker and Co.
Let alone think that the UK £1 BILLION big 6 utility company profit windfall discussed back in 2008 hasn't been mentioned since.
UPDATE 2-Brown says no tax on utilities windfall profits | Reuters
It was outlined well by someone else in a Guardian forum...
Solar subsidy confusion continues as government appeals against ruling | Environment | guardian.co.uk
forthespacemen4 January 2012 05:36PM
DECC has gone Barking mad if they think that anyone will fall for the Big Lie that
the FITs scheme has "run out of money" - or anywhere near it.
The net revenues from the UK Solar Industry through taxation on it's activities to HMG Treasury are widely accepted to be in the region of £400 million per annum, give or take.
(To which should be added the net economic value of tens of thousands presently directly and indirectly employed in the industry who'd otherwise be massively increasing the unemployment benefits bill).
Barker is the nuclear power industr'ys poodle.
forthespacemen4 January 2012 06:11PM
Response to Ploughcroft, 4 January 2012 02:31PM
Only partly agree - but when you say:
Also the old £9 BILLION that was mentioned back in 2008 that was discussed as a European Utility Company Profit windfall tax is being conveniently overlooked by Greg Barker and Co.
Let alone think that the UK £1 BILLION big 6 utility company profit windfall discussed back in 2008 hasn't been mentioned since.
UPDATE 2-Brown says no tax on utilities windfall profits | Reuters
It was outlined well by someone else in a Guardian forum...
Solar subsidy confusion continues as government appeals against ruling | Environment | guardian.co.uk
DECC has gone Barking mad if they think that anyone will fall for the Big Lie that
the FITs scheme has "run out of money" - or anywhere near it.
The net revenues from the UK Solar Industry through taxation on it's activities to HMG Treasury are widely accepted to be in the region of £400 million per annum, give or take.
(To which should be added the net economic value of tens of thousands presently directly and indirectly employed in the industry who'd otherwise be massively increasing the unemployment benefits bill).
Barker is the nuclear power industr'ys poodle.
Response to Ploughcroft, 4 January 2012 02:31PM
Only partly agree - but when you say:
And, let’s face it, something had to give - if it had carried on at 43.3p per kWh the scheme would simply have run out of money.
this is just not true. The scheme at 43.3p could have been funded indefinitely from the European utility companies' current windfall profits which they're putting aside as pump-priming collateral for the insane nuclear fantasies which they want to visit on the UK.
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powervan
Thanks for good news!! have to say i got good pain threshold but this HURTS!!! needed holiday to SAN FRAN CISCO!!
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SRE
Speaking of which - today's dilemna .......
I have to make a decision tonight about whether I move my San Fran holiday (booked for 13th March!!) AGAIN or pay ANOTHER £770 to move it.
Will there be any fit left in March?
Will Decc have made a decision by then?
Will I have lost the will to live!!!!!!
If they keep the ridiculous C rating for April then there will be no business even if something is agreed before then - so plenty of time to take a holiday then .......
This has got to be the most expensive holiday to San Francisco ever!!
I have to make a decision tonight about whether I move my San Fran holiday (booked for 13th March!!) AGAIN or pay ANOTHER £770 to move it.
Will there be any fit left in March?
Will Decc have made a decision by then?
Will I have lost the will to live!!!!!!
If they keep the ridiculous C rating for April then there will be no business even if something is agreed before then - so plenty of time to take a holiday then .......
This has got to be the most expensive holiday to San Francisco ever!!
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powervan
lol who what where!!! just go i rec!!! £650 is the profit at new rate
lol just seen on my local channel meridian tv a local lady business owner (spirit solar) giving primeminister big stick at local debate today WELL DONE THAT LADY!!!
lol just seen on my local channel meridian tv a local lady business owner (spirit solar) giving primeminister big stick at local debate today WELL DONE THAT LADY!!!
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trevor79
The real reason for killing off Solar PV
This Government's determination to stop Solar PV gaining significant market share of energy generation.
The simple truth is that solar PV offers independent generation of renewable energy into buildings.
Governments have consistently played down the contribution that solar PV can make, due I believe to the sucessful power play of the estabilished industry.
The Renewable Energy Roadmap identified key renewable technologies that would be crucial to the UK meeting the carbon reduction target adopted. Solar PV was not listed! Solar PV was dismissed as being too expensive. The Big 6 along with the Nuclear industry have the Govenment over a barrel over meeting these targets.
The Roadmap, out of date before it was even published due to steep falls in Solar PV costs and economies of scale that is achievable with Solar parks. Similar results to total Solar PV generation now in place in Germany can be matched in the UK - but at much lower cost if we had the political support to do it.
The real reason for this Governments action to cause the maximum disruption it can to our industry is simple.
Solar PV offers generator owners energy autonomy. In Britian with the 'Big 6' suppliers acting as a cartel and controlling 99% of the energy supply market, it is simply not in there interests to see this growth that reduces their own energy sales.
It is like asking turkeys to vote for Xmas!
The collusion in Government departments, notably DECC, in working with EDF and EOn to suppress reporting of the Fukushima nuclear disaster in Japan is damming evidence that Government is in the pocket of the Big 6 energy suppliers. The numerous meetings that have taken place between the big suppliers and the Government since the election have included in their discussions the need to stifle the growth of large scale solar PV (since wide-scale commercial business adoption of solar PV is what the suppliers fear most).
This pressure is what lay behind the FITS rate cuts above 50kW implemented last August. There were many other more intelligent ways that solar farms could have been managed to avoid excessive offshore FITS profits paid to hot money investors, including tying these large generators into displacing brown energy on immediately adjacent industrial or commercial sites such as factories, dairies, business parks for example.
The cut of the top rate to 8.5 pence and the rhetoric (or outright lies) that accompanied it - trying to dupe the public into accepting that FITS had never been intended to support large scale solar - was cynical in the extreme. As is the true cost to consumers energy bills of FITs Solar PV on it.
So there you have it. Solar PV threatens EDF - NPower - EOn - British Gas - Scottish & Southern and Scottish Power profits so must be killed.
This Government's determination to stop Solar PV gaining significant market share of energy generation.
The simple truth is that solar PV offers independent generation of renewable energy into buildings.
Governments have consistently played down the contribution that solar PV can make, due I believe to the sucessful power play of the estabilished industry.
The Renewable Energy Roadmap identified key renewable technologies that would be crucial to the UK meeting the carbon reduction target adopted. Solar PV was not listed! Solar PV was dismissed as being too expensive. The Big 6 along with the Nuclear industry have the Govenment over a barrel over meeting these targets.
The Roadmap, out of date before it was even published due to steep falls in Solar PV costs and economies of scale that is achievable with Solar parks. Similar results to total Solar PV generation now in place in Germany can be matched in the UK - but at much lower cost if we had the political support to do it.
The real reason for this Governments action to cause the maximum disruption it can to our industry is simple.
Solar PV offers generator owners energy autonomy. In Britian with the 'Big 6' suppliers acting as a cartel and controlling 99% of the energy supply market, it is simply not in there interests to see this growth that reduces their own energy sales.
It is like asking turkeys to vote for Xmas!
The collusion in Government departments, notably DECC, in working with EDF and EOn to suppress reporting of the Fukushima nuclear disaster in Japan is damming evidence that Government is in the pocket of the Big 6 energy suppliers. The numerous meetings that have taken place between the big suppliers and the Government since the election have included in their discussions the need to stifle the growth of large scale solar PV (since wide-scale commercial business adoption of solar PV is what the suppliers fear most).
This pressure is what lay behind the FITS rate cuts above 50kW implemented last August. There were many other more intelligent ways that solar farms could have been managed to avoid excessive offshore FITS profits paid to hot money investors, including tying these large generators into displacing brown energy on immediately adjacent industrial or commercial sites such as factories, dairies, business parks for example.
The cut of the top rate to 8.5 pence and the rhetoric (or outright lies) that accompanied it - trying to dupe the public into accepting that FITS had never been intended to support large scale solar - was cynical in the extreme. As is the true cost to consumers energy bills of FITs Solar PV on it.
So there you have it. Solar PV threatens EDF - NPower - EOn - British Gas - Scottish & Southern and Scottish Power profits so must be killed.
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SRE
Yea - but if the customers are out there - we could be fitting 6/7 systems in the time we're on holiday, especially with the longer daylight .....
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