Leaving Rings behind going Radials ????

[Robinson]

Just pondering as a lecturer mentioned to me ideally that industry would like to phase Rings out and go down just the radial route in domestic environment

How do you guys feel? any of you already really trying to go down this rd..? say the kitchen for appliances on separate 16amp supplies. or anywhere else come to mention it.

Obviously in these times in could be more costly but is it better in the long run????
IMO much better but maybe unrealistic for many jobs.

 

[telectrix]

i blame napoleon blair.

 

[Sintra]

What's the reasoning behind ''No ring circuits in Kitchens''?? I would have thought a Ring circuit in a kitchen is an ideal design consideration, considering the differing types of load etc!!

After reading annex 55A of ET 101 2008 i honestly can't see the reason behind no ring final circuits in kitchens.

What it states is:
At least two radial final circuits should be provided in a kitchen to supply high-current portable appliances such as irons and kettles.
The number and position of socket-outlets will depend on the size and layout of the kitchen. For the average -sized domestic kitchen a minimum of ten socket-outlets is recommended. They should be distributed over at least two seperate radial final circuits and located to suit the position of the equipment.

 

[accordfire]

And next we'll have those stupid little two pin plugs again which you trip over and rip out of the wall - just like those damned American ones, which encourage their users to pull the plug out of the socket by the flex.

Grrrr.

Tell you what- let's all just build in faraday cages, and forget any understanding of potential difference.

 

[nickblake]

i like radial and i like rings whether 4 mm or 2.5 what ever the designe requires , there was a post about the diyer on the ring you can get that on a radial give them a socket that they can remove and you will find every thing from xmas lights to the mother in law wired into it it doesnt matter it will be the same what ever so be happy any how its great fun finding a ring fault

 

[Engineer54]

After reading annex 55A of ET 101 2008 i honestly can't see the reason behind no ring final circuits in kitchens.

What it states is:
At least two radial final circuits should be provided in a kitchen to supply high-current portable appliances such as irons and kettles.
The number and position of socket-outlets will depend on the size and layout of the kitchen. For the average -sized domestic kitchen a minimum of ten socket-outlets is recommended. They should be distributed over at least two seperate radial final circuits and located to suit the position of the equipment.

Nor me, ....which is why i asked for the reasoning behind it!!

 

[Sintra]

Nor me, ....which is why i asked for the reasoning behind it!!

Was unable to give you a reason as i can't see one but i thought you would like to try and determine it for yourself by giving you the appropriate text.

 

[davelerave]

i'd assume it's a step on the way to phasing out the domestic ring

maybe higher risk of overcurrent in kitchen ring in case of break or additions to unfused branches

as sintra said we have to balance the loads as best possible among an appropriate number of radial finals

 

[davelerave]

And next we'll have those stupid little two pin plugs again which you trip over and rip out of the wall - just like those damned American ones, which encourage their users to pull the plug out of the socket by the flex.

Grrrr.

Tell you what- let's all just build in faraday cages, and forget any understanding of potential difference.

and the 13amp plugs that overheat and spike your bare feet

 

[truckster]

After reading annex 55A of ET 101 2008 i honestly can't see the reason behind no ring final circuits in kitchens.

Ah ha! I take it the ET stands for European something, means there doesn't have to be a reason just some suit in Brussels guarding his job

 

[davelerave]

Ah ha! I take it the ET stands for European something, means there doesn't have to be a reason just some suit in Brussels guarding his job

extra terrestrial- you couldn't make it up

 

[Robinson]

most certainly couldnt make that up ! LOL

 

[steve447]

i like radial and i like rings,

But which one is better?.. only oneway to find out