New consumer installed but failed inspection

[Des 56]

Its nice to know that Eicrs are being carried out by competent persons with extensive experience in, and an above average knowledge of, installations

 

[k17byo]

This was my original question lol I would give a Eic for a new board but my mate said give a pir as it has some code 1's and fails!
He is also a qualified sparks and thought I may have missed something!

I haven't given any form of cert yet as I'm doing that tomorrow!

The board was defiantly a code 1 for a few things (wrong fuse sizes, overloading, the swa supplying the board had a earth clamp round it instead of a gland, neutrals wired into mcb's) etc and the obvious half not working.

 

[k17byo]

Its nice to know that Eicrs are being carried out by competent persons with extensive experience in, and an above average knowledge of, installations

If you had read my original post you will see I wanted to give a EIC but a friend of mine (also a sparks) suggested giving a EICR instead which I even said on the original post didn't sound right to me!!!!
this is why I put it to you guys.

 

[iconnect]

Mate you always look at the faults/problems before changing the board. You knew the garage had a problem and the others mmm, so you knew there would be crosses on your test sheet to start with. Now the board from what you are saying the board is a 16th edition split load ? Was there not a way of replacing the part within the board then doing periodic ? Its really difficult to work out what you have without being stood next to you, but I would in the future look at the whole picture and less at making everything comply with 17th Edition. The Main switch you could not get could you not have installed something as a temp measure until you found the right one?

 

[D Skelton]

I quite enjoy mopping up the local area after 5wws like you have been in and wrecked the gaff Earns me and my guys a decent living!

 

[Deleted member 9648]

Hi all.

Im new on here so please bare with.

Changed a cu the other day and it failed on one dis circuit to the garage and lack of isolator's in kitchen and bathroom.
Now ive always had the client agree on remedial works so have never had this problem before!
He doesnt want to spend anymore money as the cu was a fight but was forced to as it was a mess!
What cert should i give?

an EI cert but with no time untill next inspection covered, and write the rest in comments box?

a friend of mine told me to not notify it and give a PIR failure instead

Im not too sure on the PIR!?

Any help would be great

Fact is mate you cant carry out notifyable work and not complete an EIC.....if you've done the work now cert and notify.
There's no mention of bonding in your post,I'm guessing if the install is that bad it wasnt there....hopefully it is now.

 

[chrish_1977]

All extras if course, I really can't believe you didn't test before replacing the board, no wonder the customer doesn't want to pay for extra work, if I was you I would test first then give the customer the options then if they agree do the board, but you can't impose the 17th on older properties

 

[Octopus]

And don't you have a caveat on your estimates/quotes to cover unexpected faults and remedial work??

You seem to have ignored this but vital on all board changes when you don't do a EICR first.

 

[Engineer54]

Reading this thread (like many others just lately) makes me wonder what the hell is going on back in the UK these day's!! It really saddens me, just how low standards and competency has fallen in the domestic sector!! It was never that great, but now, ...Jesus!!! The sooner these training centers are out of business, as far as offering these so-called fast track DI courses, the Better!!

 

[Sparkie30]

My mate did the same changed cu made things a lot worse. all breakers were tripping we spend the next 2 days sorting things out = no pay
1 thing never put new cu without testing and inspecting. Personally i would not install a new cu with old wiring.

hope you solved your issues mate. we learn somehow.

 

[D Skelton]

Reading this thread (like many others just lately) makes me wonder what the hell is going on back in the UK these day's!! It really saddens me, just how low standards and competency has fallen in the domestic sector!! It was never that great, but now, ...Jesus!!! The sooner these training centers are out of business, as far as offering these so-called fast track DI courses, the Better!!

Its crap mate, hence why I've pretty much given up on domestic. Too many monkeys out there to under cut you. The only decent domestic work we tend to do a fair amount of now is more specialist stuff that no Electrical Trainee is gonna have the first clue about.

Just the other day I was inspecting a large domestic property, the electrical installation was about 35 years old but had a ground floor extension built about 3 years ago including a CU change.

The C2s and C3s I put down on the EICR ONLY related to the recent work, the rest of the house although aged was absolutely fine! Back before my time, sparks were sparks! Now there're just way too many chancers!

 

[bigbaddave]

My mate did the same changed cu made things a lot worse. all breakers were tripping we spend the next 2 days sorting things out = no pay
1 thing never put new cu without testing and inspecting. Personally i would not install a new cu with old wiring.

hope you solved your issues mate. we learn somehow.

So now your telling me that you insist on rewireing a property in order to fit a new board... This thread has me doubles over it really does...

 

[jase]

Wish i had never got involved in this job to be honest but you live and learn i guess!
Most of my customers would be happy knowing their house is safe but others just like to scrape by!
He knew the house was dodgy and thats why we agreed to do a cu change and test to check for other hidden surprises.

If the board looked that dodgy then i would have done a few tests before fitting a new CU, and how do you mean it failed?? how does a Consumer unit fail? fail what?

 

[Heisenberg]

How or why anyone would undertake a board change without having done any I&T beforehand is beyond me.

 

[jase]

You still haven't said why the garage circuit failed or what it failed?and i fail to see a lack of isolators for the fan and fridge as unsafe and dodgey

Yeah, there is no such thing as a lack of isolators,unless intergrated appliances can be plugged into a socket behind the appliance is so wished unless the appliances are intergrated,