New kitchen does it need own fusebox or change just the mains fusebox?

[Ell4848]

New kitchen will be installed. Do we need to rewire the kitchen? The fusebox we have is ancient and our electrician has recommended to rewire kitchen then have a consumer unit just for the kitchen electrics as he said things may trip because our consumer unit is old but my builder who covers all of this said we can change the main fusebox in the house and he's included first fix electrics in his quote


We are not changing too much when it comes to the electrics, some advice would be very much appreciated

We will be replacing the kitchen light fixture that is already there(ceiling) and replacing with something similar.

The washing machine will need a new socket installed ( double socket) and plumbing as its being moved completely to the opposite side of the kitchen where it is now

Fridge is staying in same location

The gas cooker will be moved approximately 50-60cm to the left of its current location and the new gas cooker will have an electric grill inside, the previous one was all gas (new cooker will have double gas oven with electric grill)

We would want to replace all socket covers currently there as well for aesthetics
Thank you in advance

 

[DPG]

With a very similar fitting too? It won't affect the plastering?

Surely the light fitting won't be fitted on the ceiling while the plastering is being done? Is that what you mean - the plasterer will plaster around the fitting?

 

[Ell4848]

Surely the light fitting won't be fitted on the ceiling while the plastering is being done? Is that what you mean - the plasterer will plaster around the fitting?

What i mean is if they plaster around the old fitting then replace the new one which is the same length and width do you think the plasterers can do that . And new wiring won't be needed for this. He has done first fix electrics elsewhere in the kitchen and added new sockets etc

 

[nicebutdim]

What i mean is if they plaster around the old fitting then replace the new one which is the same length and width do you think the plasterers can do that . And new wiring won't be needed for this. He has done first fix electrics elsewhere in the kitchen and added new sockets etc

Get the electrician involved well before any plastering takes place.

 

[DPG]

Get the electrician involved well before any plastering takes place.

I can't see the sense in having a nice freshly plastered ceiling but plastering around a light fitting which you don't even want.

Am I missing something? Please someone tell me if I am.

 

[Ell4848]

I can't see the sense in having a nice freshly plastered ceiling but plastering around a light fitting which you don't even want.

Am I missing something? Please someone tell me if I am.

Its going to be replaced with an identical one

 

[DPG]

Its going to be replaced with an identical one

I know. So take it down before the plastering!

What if the plaster gets damaged while you're trying to remove it?

Why why why why oh why etc etc.

 

[nicebutdim]

There's also the assumption that the existing cable is fine. Maybe it is and maybe it isn't - no one knows, so get the electrician in and let them decide before plastering the ceiling. Chances are they can also leave some temporary lighting arrangement that allows a decent finish on the new ceiling.

 

[DPG]

There's also the assumption that the existing cable is fine. Maybe it is and maybe it isn't - no one knows, so get the electrician in and let them decide before plastering the ceiling. Chances are they can also leave some temporary lighting arrangement that allows a decent finish on the new ceiling.

I'm waiting to see the plasterers face when he does a perfect finish around this light and then someone walks up and takes it down.

 

[timhoward]

If you ask the electrician nicely they may be willing to pop around and take it down for you.
Some plasterers I know are confident enough to remove a light fitting while they work so you might get lucky.

Get the electrician involved well before any plastering takes place.

Agree, the wisdom of posting on this forum at 4pm today when the problem was identified instead of contacting the electrician is a little bit debatable!
It does make a refreshing change that a new kitchen doesn't automatically mean 8 downlights though!

 

[pc1966]

As above folk say, get the old light off BEFORE the plastering is done. Then the new one up.

The point about like-for-like replacement (so here, similar baton light) is that does not require the circuit to be brought up to recent regs, so fine on the old main fuse box assuming the cable is OK and long enough, etc.

If you were having additional lights fitted then it should meet the current regs and that usually means on RCD protection as generally speaking the cable won't be guaranteed to be deeper than 50mm from any surface where it is hidden (there is more to it than that, but usually that is the deciding factor).

 

[OnlQQker]

builder may be genuine and has a registered spark on hand. not all builders are rogues. i've worked with some good, some bad.

I worked for a builder many moons ago, and when the electrician was off site he used a roll of the sparks 2.5 cable to pull up a bucket load of cement to the roof. Then wound it back up and said nothing.

 

[Ell4848]

I know. So take it down before the plastering!

What if the plaster gets damaged while you're trying to remove it?

Why why why why oh why etc etc.

I worked for a builder many moons ago, and when the electrician was off site he used a roll of the sparks 2.5 cable to pull up a bucket load of cement to the roof. Then wound it back up and said nothing.

I told the builder and he said its fine. So I guess they know what they are doing. I also read on other forums that if they bring the fixture down slightly they can plaster

 

[DPG]

I told the builder and he said its fine. So I guess they know what they are doing. I also read on other forums that if they bring the fixture down slightly they can plaster

So they're going to have to lower this unwanted light fitting down before they plaster?

Sorry to bang on but I just don't get it.

 

[westward10]

Never ask a builder for advice use the electrician. The chances of the new fitting being identical to match the unplastered part are zero, it needs removing prior to plastering.

 

[DPG]

Never ask a builder for advice use the electrician. The chances of the new fitting being identical to match the unplastered part are zero, it needs removing prior to plastering.

I knew Westy would be along eventually with the answer