New requirement for part p schemes

[p11jor]

Anyone heard about this new requirement that you need a level 3 qual to join a part p scheme from July 2011?

Surely this would wipe out alot of current members and new applicants?.......meaning more and more houses are not going to be signed off under part p, as I doubt many sparks are going to down tools for a couple of years and get a evening job stacking shelves whilst they try to gain a qualification that says the can do what they have been doing for the past 10/20/30/40/50 years!

Anyone else have any info on this?

 

[ezzzekiel]

Unfortunately there is always going to be the problem of how to prove competancy and is based around the idea of partp unfortunately it is purely a license to print money for the scheme providers and they are at fault there needs to be a better method but it will always come down to the pieces of paper you hold unless a regulator is going to work alongside you forever monitoring your work. So what bits of paper need to be held:
original 2660 gains entry for membership
2330 level 3 with nvq3 gains entry for membership
2382 + 2391 with proven career history gains entry for membership
anyone holding unknown or non standard quals should be given a preliminary defined scope membership.

purely my opinion.

 

[VoltzElectrical]

Unfortunately there is always going to be the problem of how to prove competancy and is based around the idea of partp unfortunately it is purely a license to print money for the scheme providers and they are at fault there needs to be a better method but it will always come down to the pieces of paper you hold unless a regulator is going to work alongside you forever monitoring your work. So what bits of paper need to be held:
original 2660 gains entry for membership
2330 level 3 with nvq3 gains entry for membership
2382 + 2391 with proven career history gains entry for membership
anyone holding unknown or non standard quals should be given a preliminary defined scope membership.

purely my opinion.

Not sure if it's an opinion, as what you have stated here seems to be fact (in terms of what is needed to be deemed to be competent in the eyes of others).
Competency is also measured by what you do competently on site. The paperwork needs to be backed up with actual work.

Can we then surmise that competency consists of PAPER work + ACTUAL WORK?

PAPER + ACTUAL (WORK) = COMPETENCY.

A new equation for the text books?

 

[ezzzekiel]

well everyone seems to have a very simmilar opinion with the exception of the powers that be

 

[madmac]

So what ARE we saying here boys? Surprise surprise that qualifications and training and experience= competent electricians? Well **** me gently!!! Is that not what the traditional apprenticeship provided??? Point proven.

 

[Electricalserv]

Well I can't agree for the reason that I don't have nvq3 and nor do some of you guys have the 2391 qualification that I do have. Maybe if you have both you can be fully satisfied that you are a fully qualified spark. If you have nvq3 you are an approved installation electrician and if you have 2391 you are an approved inspector & tester. I know which one I'd rather be. But that's my opinion as IQ says competency will be proven on site and nobody can say they are fully competent in every aspect of electrical installation and testing from motors to installing twin & earth. It would take years of training & experience!

 

[p11jor]

I think there should be say a 12 month onsite assessments set out from scheme providers, they visit you each month for a day tick off every single scenario then give you a national recognised diploma or that of like..... Minium of 17th edition and some sort of elec qual city & guilds

I did my 2392 got 100% yet I was on here few days ago asking about a small question on testing.... Quals arnt always the answer

Problem is who is going to pay for this

 

[madmac]

p11jor: this sounds awfully like a type of apprenticeship where you are under constant assessment. Electricalserv: just for the record, I am an SJIB Approved Electrician with affiliations of Electrical Fitter,Maintenance Electrician, Installation Electrician, Distribution Networks Electrician and I have 2391-10 17th inspection & testing c&g, 2382 17th wiring regs. c&g, SELECT 17th wiring regs., SVQ level3, ECS assessment,safety passport,WI1 Scottish Power Authorisation 11kv to 400kv,EN1 Scottish Power Authorisation, independent entry to substations with exposed live busbars,SR3&4 Scottish Power Authorisation for permit for work & limited works certificates, IPAF,PASMA,full apprentice papers,AM2 trade certificate,electrical craftsman certificate, HND in electrical engineering and last but not least I am a fully paid up member of the union and have been since I was a first year apprentice.
But according to you it's impossible to achieve all this by working for some company or if you're agency? Well there are many more guys like me out there trying to fight for a better work place for all of us and if we can't even get the balance between training and employment then it's all over and kiss your industry goodnight!

 

[VoltzElectrical]

Goodnight!

 

[Electricalserv]

p11jor:
But according to you it's impossible to achieve all this by working for some company or if you're agency? Well there are many more guys like me out there trying to fight for a better work place for all of us and if we can't even get the balance between training and employment then it's all over and kiss your industry goodnight!

when did I say it's not possible to achieve qualifications whilst working for someone else & agencies? I said you are very union focused. What you are unhappy with I don't know but for me I go to work to earn money and that's that. I have no hidden agender. My point to you was instead of worrying about everyone else focus on yourself and you'll most likely find yourself on better wages or whatever you are looking for. I'd like you to point out where I have said you can't gain qualifications working for someone else???? As I said, you work for someone else and you will always be £ short of your full worth. No1 will employ you unless you can make money. Most likely all them quals where paid for by your government or employers so in my opinion you've done ok. ALOT of people gave to get quals out if their own wallet. Apprentices get the lot on the plate

 

[madmac]

Electricalserv: Unlike you I am very socially concious, and I always try my best to better the conditions of fellow electricians and just for the record I am earning a very high rate of pay compared to the directly employed sparks I'm working with but I am more than prepared to put my head above the parapet to shout and fight for better pay for these boys even if it means that I lose my job because then I will be able to gain full time direct employment on better wages and not have suffer the indignity of being on a minutes notice with an agency! And yes most of the quals. were paid for by either a company or an agency but about a third were paid out of my own pocket, now, in a civillised and respectful environment, we should have to pay for none of these quals. and the companies should as they benefit from them ultimately as they couldn't do any portion of the electrical works that they tendered for unless they could guarantee a skilled and competent workforce!!!
"Apprentices get the lot on a plate"??? And your point is?