Theluxecrew
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@paingtonpete
Great response. Its hard enough when looking for a trusted source that when you find comments on threads like this sends your decision you've made spiraling ! Most of the comments make me wonder what type of people will call something a scam when they have already signed up to it? I have read through all the official documents that the college provide and the funding organisation and all are regulated either by the FCA or the consumer credit act of 1974..All the qualifications are provided through City & Guilds and meet QCF requirements, BPEC, ACS, MCS, GAS SAFE and NVQ that also lead onto further recognised standards Gold Card, JIB, AM2, After doing further research I have also found that to be registered and have a registration number these are not handed out to any organisation.
Great response. Its hard enough when looking for a trusted source that when you find comments on threads like this sends your decision you've made spiraling ! Most of the comments make me wonder what type of people will call something a scam when they have already signed up to it? I have read through all the official documents that the college provide and the funding organisation and all are regulated either by the FCA or the consumer credit act of 1974..All the qualifications are provided through City & Guilds and meet QCF requirements, BPEC, ACS, MCS, GAS SAFE and NVQ that also lead onto further recognised standards Gold Card, JIB, AM2, After doing further research I have also found that to be registered and have a registration number these are not handed out to any organisation.
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Theluxecrew
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Nope mate I didn't put that in, I only registered yesterday with my email and name.
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I'm afraid you must have done and you seem somewhat passionate about an organisation to which you are only a student.
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Theluxecrew
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I have just gone into it and until you mentioned it had no idea about the profile. It's not the passion for the college, I'm voicing an opinion based on facts, my facts. When someone calls it a scam and I'm at the same college thats not my experience.
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I suspected like @westward that you where a tutor or lecturer so checked your profile.
If you are a lecturer, this is not a problem as it means we get the other side of the argument. To deny it is taking away credibility to your argument.
On another note to flip the reviews a bit. I’d like to say I did all or most of my training at South Devon College in paignton and dcet in Exeter. I cannot fault the training or service I have received.
The only criticism I had was a lecturer was off sick at south Devon college for several weeks during my C&G lv2 so a big chunk of the course was not provided. ( all the 3 phase stuff)
I made an appointment with a senior lecturer and raised my concerns. I made it concerns rather than complaint. He took me to one side in a class and covered everything I had missed.
Thats how you deal with a complaint on both sides. Simple.
If you are a lecturer, this is not a problem as it means we get the other side of the argument. To deny it is taking away credibility to your argument.
On another note to flip the reviews a bit. I’d like to say I did all or most of my training at South Devon College in paignton and dcet in Exeter. I cannot fault the training or service I have received.
The only criticism I had was a lecturer was off sick at south Devon college for several weeks during my C&G lv2 so a big chunk of the course was not provided. ( all the 3 phase stuff)
I made an appointment with a senior lecturer and raised my concerns. I made it concerns rather than complaint. He took me to one side in a class and covered everything I had missed.
Thats how you deal with a complaint on both sides. Simple.
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Theluxecrew
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I agree, however I am not a tutor or a lecturer...My background is in the Media and after lockdown my career was pulled from under me so looked at the trades.
Can anyone help in how I can amend that?
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I've got a massive wake-up call 2 weeks ago when i got this screen you see attached here. At any point whatsoever crossed my mind that my course will expire before i finish it. It was sold to me as 'learn at your peace when you can'. It did take longer than my initial plans to finish it in 2 years.
However 2 weeks ago when i was denied access to a my account and to a live training, I've phoned the 'tutors team' and I've been sent to call administration office. From there I've got a text message link to a webpage where to request an extension. On a third call I've been 'advised' it will take 10 working days...
Wednesday evening I've found a letter when i got home asking for £400 bank transfer. Thursday i was completely depressed could not even tell my family about this issue. Yesterday i was busy with work. I will get in contact with whomever they are on this Monday.
I'm not slagging anyone here and I'm not complaining either. Pure statement of my ongoing experience.
I must point out that out there are many other experiences very similar to mine and reviews and feedbacks are very very worryingly, as in this: quote: "I've paid £7k for 3 textbooks" and many more.
I did not come to complain here. I've had a few comments on this thread many months ago, I've added couple of lines 2 weeks following that i would come back and share my experience once solved either way. Since yesterday this thread simply got inflamed by very positive feedbacks. Mine is not positive at this very moment at all tho
However 2 weeks ago when i was denied access to a my account and to a live training, I've phoned the 'tutors team' and I've been sent to call administration office. From there I've got a text message link to a webpage where to request an extension. On a third call I've been 'advised' it will take 10 working days...
Wednesday evening I've found a letter when i got home asking for £400 bank transfer. Thursday i was completely depressed could not even tell my family about this issue. Yesterday i was busy with work. I will get in contact with whomever they are on this Monday.
I'm not slagging anyone here and I'm not complaining either. Pure statement of my ongoing experience.
I must point out that out there are many other experiences very similar to mine and reviews and feedbacks are very very worryingly, as in this: quote: "I've paid £7k for 3 textbooks" and many more.
I did not come to complain here. I've had a few comments on this thread many months ago, I've added couple of lines 2 weeks following that i would come back and share my experience once solved either way. Since yesterday this thread simply got inflamed by very positive feedbacks. Mine is not positive at this very moment at all tho
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I feel your pain and am sympathetic to your issues.
ive tried to be open minded on this issue as sometimes getting one side of an argument is not enough to made an informed decision.
If it helps I am leaning toward your point of view. And hope what you have said on this site will give others looking at doing what you have done information for them to make an informed choice.
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Course may or may not be good. Sounds like an organisation with poor customer service. All resources devoted to hard sell and sign up to credit agreement. If the pandemic has caused issues then all clients should have been updated by the company as to the planned alternative arrangements.
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@Theluxecrew I have just read though this thread and as others feel there is some kine of vested interest in your posts, they read like an advert in the first instance and then pashonet defence of their working ethics which others have found wanting, you slate others on here for describing what they have found, but you jump to the defence on every occasions with your own what you say are facts, your credibility is seriously in question.
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Theluxecrew
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And what vested interest or facts do you have about the said course!! Probably none, just another keyboard warriors!!
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Yep a keyboard warrior that has been around the block a few times and recognise a scam artist when he sees one extolling the virtues of a discredited company.
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Theluxecrew
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As if you'd know...Show me your qualifications or evidence mate to discriminate anyone! Shame on you !! At least my evidence is Based on fact and not just hearsay..now tap on mate.
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Your evidence is based on your hearsay nothing concrete to substantiate your claims as facts.
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Signed up with NTC for Full Scope Electrician and Solar course back in August 2020. My background at the time was wall curtain fixer/groundworker.
Spoke to a bloke named Naz or Saj can’t remember his name. We chatted for several days before I’ve committed and made me aware of everything that the college has to offer. He also brought into discussion my partner and asked her if this is the right choice for myself (financially). My biggest concern was how would I get the experience required to work in this field if it’s mostly study at your own pace kind of course. He stated over the phone that after getting my NVQ lvl2 I will have the chance to work for 6 months with one of their partners and get on site experience. I don’t know if this is just something that he said to make me happy or it’s pure -------s.
Got up to TMA 11 and still waiting for my first H&S test and first hands on weekend.
Tutors have been okay so far. If I got a question they will answer back in a day or two. They don’t check on my progress which is understandable.
Plenty of videos covering all subjects on the student website and loads of helpful tips on how to pass C&G exams.
I sort of lost interest in the course midway as the country was on lockdown and there was no point studying any further if tests weren’t coming up or there weren’t any practical lessons.
After attending the first practical lesson I will come back with more feedback on NTC.
Spoke to a bloke named Naz or Saj can’t remember his name. We chatted for several days before I’ve committed and made me aware of everything that the college has to offer. He also brought into discussion my partner and asked her if this is the right choice for myself (financially). My biggest concern was how would I get the experience required to work in this field if it’s mostly study at your own pace kind of course. He stated over the phone that after getting my NVQ lvl2 I will have the chance to work for 6 months with one of their partners and get on site experience. I don’t know if this is just something that he said to make me happy or it’s pure -------s.
Got up to TMA 11 and still waiting for my first H&S test and first hands on weekend.
Tutors have been okay so far. If I got a question they will answer back in a day or two. They don’t check on my progress which is understandable.
Plenty of videos covering all subjects on the student website and loads of helpful tips on how to pass C&G exams.
I sort of lost interest in the course midway as the country was on lockdown and there was no point studying any further if tests weren’t coming up or there weren’t any practical lessons.
After attending the first practical lesson I will come back with more feedback on NTC.
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I trained whit them< but after 3 years i dont finish the course.....what is hapen now? i lose all?
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It is a scam college, they have ripped me off, as the course can't exist because the college doesn't. Only the finance company exists! My mistake was in not asking for the address of the training centres across the UK, if I had asked that I would have found out the lie earlier. Now I'm thousands in debt and homeless because of them!Let's try keep this thread. So be mindful of how we say things in it.
I'm about to install a news / blog to the forum (have done it on the other two) and this is a big area I want plenty of advice articles about.
We have seen these companies come and go over the years but the directors or usually connected. And usually end up in Scotland so you can't sue without losing even more money through travel and accomodation etc
Not saying this company is one of them. But it sounds exactly the bloody same to me I can't believe there are still such companies around.
This training firms and those "pay us 5 grand and we will send you work" firms all need some clever blogging done about them. Ones I will stand behind in court.
We are hosted in France, managed in Italy, and I am subbed out to the forum for web work only.
It's operated from a country out of their remit. They can't take me anywhere and get a penny from me.
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Update:
I have failed my pre-workshop healthy and safety test 3 times now. I have “cheated” and done it with books in front of me and googling every answer which I didn’t know. I’m starting to believe that the HS test is made to be failed or this is a huge scam…
Would like some feedback from anyone that has managed to pass this…or not. Thanks
I have failed my pre-workshop healthy and safety test 3 times now. I have “cheated” and done it with books in front of me and googling every answer which I didn’t know. I’m starting to believe that the HS test is made to be failed or this is a huge scam…
Would like some feedback from anyone that has managed to pass this…or not. Thanks
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So I've been in a course with New Trades Career for the past 3-4 months now (where the headquarters are based in Basildon, Essex). I have payed the £180 twice over these months now. In this time I have completed Section 1 Part A Domestic Electrical Installer (6 modules) and am now on Part B of Section One's Domestic Installer. In terms of their service I've actually not had any issues so far. They mark the assessments within due time and literally sent out the second book the day after they marked the final assessment of the previous book. The tutors generally answer the phone and are helpful so far as I can tell. Yes it is hard to understand the book sometimes but a lot of people forget that the book itself tells you that they expect you to not just study from the book but use external sources and research as well as trying to do some practical work yourself if you can or as they like to say 'so far as is reasonably practicable'. It's not very easy understanding electrics even if you have a book designed to help you understand electrics. There is only so much you can understand from theory and any electrician will tell you this. If you don't know anyone that does electrics that you can work as a mate with then there's dozens of videos on things like youtube that will help you understand it by showing you practically how to do the task you want to know. For example I had trouble understanding differences between the different types of Earthing arrangements (TN, TN-S etc) and this guy on youtube called 'GSH Electrical' and he explained it sufficiently. A combination of thorough studying of the modules and getting my own basic circuit board with some basic tools (meaning all the essential electrician tools) and working on that (also watching youtube videos) and I was eventually able to understand 95% of the modules. It takes some enthusiasm and motivation to want to learn as well especially when you sometimes feel like the company is just gonna rob you at the end after reading everyone else's scam stories lol. I've passed all the modules first try by scoring 80%+ apart from health and safety module which I passed 2nd time (got 70% first time which was fail). Now although I haven't done much of the course I will say that it's not entirely a scam. They may not have the best service and may use sly sale tactics to get you in but if you could care less about all that as well as their book not being the easiest to understand and have full dedication because you've failed at everything in life like me then it's all you should need to get you to know enough so that even if they do mug you off you've got some knowledge under your belt at least which might be helpful to you later on. I won't have any high hopes about it being the most trustworthy and maybe I might see more cracks later in the company's course but I'll throw those cracks back in their face by learning the best I can so if push comes to shove, I can tell the courts that I put my upmost effort in and studied and completed all that they ask. It's either that, or eventually I'll work around what ever and make my way to the end as a fully qualified electrician provided push doesn't come to shove and their apparently poor service doesn't halt my progression completely. I'm not trying to invalidate anyone's experiences here and all things that have been mentioned here are quite a red flag for this company to be honest I'm just saying they're not entirely scammers is all.
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Sorry if I’m a bit sceptical, but I am.
If this is true brilliant for you. However many others have not had this experience.
if you where a member of the forum for longer than 1 minute with a bit of background in contributions to this site I may be a bit more believing.
there was another poster on this thread who blatantly lied to us. in his profile it stated he was a lecturer. In the thread he said he was a student. When this was mentioned to him the lies grew.
He was blatantly a lecturer giving a false review of a company claiming to be a student.
I apologise if I’m wrong, but you can’t blame me for being sceptical considering what has transpired before.
If this is true brilliant for you. However many others have not had this experience.
if you where a member of the forum for longer than 1 minute with a bit of background in contributions to this site I may be a bit more believing.
there was another poster on this thread who blatantly lied to us. in his profile it stated he was a lecturer. In the thread he said he was a student. When this was mentioned to him the lies grew.
He was blatantly a lecturer giving a false review of a company claiming to be a student.
I apologise if I’m wrong, but you can’t blame me for being sceptical considering what has transpired before.
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wow man. your comment here has actually just made me more skeptical. i joined here because i wanted to know more about new trades career as other forums echo some of the concerns on here too and seeing some comments on here saying it is a complete scam i just wanted people to know that it isn't a complete scam but it does look like there's a lot of fishy business too by the looks of it. i just wanted everyone to know what my experience was too in order to contribute to people who would want some advice on this. if there's anything i can show you to prove my legitimacy i will. i just need advice and thats my purpose for joining this site. only time will tell.
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read this full thread. Then come back and say if you agree with me and others.
would you have started the course if you had read this thread first? Answer should be no. But I will let you answer for yourself.
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I have already gone through like most of the thread haha that’s what lead me to make this post to be honestNew Trades Career - in - Electrician Courses : Electrical Quals
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Hi, sorry to jump into the conversation on a tangent. I'm 40 and looking at career change to electrician (I know its a bit late) I'm not looking to go into the commercial side for mega money, more happy to be my own boss on domestic side. I came on here primarily as I was considering signing up for course with Access Training, glad I did a bit of digging beforehand! College route seems to be more sensible now. Baddegg, as a domestic installer what advice would you give as to my best route? Many thanks for any help you can give. Ben
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Hi, sorry to jump into the conversation on a tangent. I'm 40 and looking at career change to electrician (I know its a bit late) I'm not looking to go into the commercial side for mega money, more happy to be my own boss on domestic side. I came on here primarily as I was considering signing up for course with Access Training, glad I did a bit of digging beforehand! College route seems to be more sensible now. Baddegg, as a domestic installer what advice would you give as to my best route? Many thanks for any help you can give. Ben
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Have a look at one of the Forum advertisers, XS seem to get good ratings: Online Electrical Training Courses - Level 3 NVQ 2346 & 2357 - https://www.xstraining.com/
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Good advice from those above.
I retrained when I was 35.
long story short….
3 years at college.
year 2 and 3 did some works with qualified sparkies.
then got job with a Company with experienced guys so learnt from them a bit.
from start to finish 5 years before I felt reasonably confident I could do a half decent job.
then I went self employed domestic.
This was when the real learning really started.
so five years of non or little wages before you start to feel confident. You must get onsite experience. Without it you will be lost. The colleges don’t teach you everything in a classroom. They can’t. It’s impossible. So it will be up to you to put yourself out there and get experience Working along side sparkies.
we get a lot of people complaining I’ve wasted 3 years at college. I can’t get a job.
the college won’t get you a job. You have to take responsibility for that. You put yourself out there.
sorry I haven’t pulled any punches, but it needs to be said.
I will also say if your serious, go for it . I did and I made a real success of it.
I worked hard, long hours and got really good and gained a fantastic reputation. I did every little course going to improve myself so I never stopped educating myself.
I traded for 8 years self employed and made ridiculous money. Just retired 7 months ago at age of 49 on the back of it.
got myself a little job maintenance At the local zoo. Loving it. No pressure.
best thing I ever did, but make no mistakes it’s hard work getting there. The rewards are worth it if you have what it takes.
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Just thought i'd dive in to say this one thing: there is no 'mega money' in the commercial side unless you are running the job. All the big money is in the domestic side as in the commercial game you're limited by what people are paying, which is crap. Just look at JIB rates as a starting point - must have every qualification going, experience, be time served, carry all your own tools and generally tick every single box - £16 odd an hour. Garbage.
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Don't apologise for not pulling any punches! Thats the info that is the most valuable.
Yeah, was expecting to be eating through my savings for the first 3 years, but got to accept that to get where I want to.
Which courses did you do initially? I have been looking at the Electrical Installation levels 1 and 2 diplomas and guess if the 18th Edition isnt part of that I would need that too. Would I also need the NVQ Level 3 in Electrotechnical Services with the AM2 Assessment as a domestic installer, or is that for if you are going into the commercial side?
Hoping that my age wont be a massive problem. May be an advantage in terms of getting some hands on experience if I ask all the local firms if I can shadow someone, hopefully more likely to think that I am going to turn up everyday and want to be there.
Sorry to be asking more questions, just want to make sure I begin on the correct path.
Thanks to everyone who replied
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There is nothing stopping you working anywhere anyhow you like, with no qualifications. You don't 'need' any of them to work for yourself especially. You don't need them to work for someone else but they often demand them.
The 'fully qualified' thing isn't real, but the standard 'full set' i guess you could call it would be:
Level 3 qualification
NVQ3
AM2
18th Edition
Testing and Inspection
That would be the minimum someone would usually expect for you to go earn 'time served' rates on site although not always. Again, you can work quite fine with all, some, or none of the above.
Really to feel comfortable and to actually know what you're doing you need experience and it can't be bought or rushed. I'd concentrate on getting work alongside someone.
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