Nic Assessment questions

[7671]

I'v picked up a couple CU changel that I intend to use for my assessment. The question is - i know I need to notify bc before work comenses but the plan would be to notify the work myself once assessment is complate. Also if I remove main fuse do you think this would be looked at negatively by the assessor ?

 

[The Ghost]

Main fuse removal, yes very negatively especially as it's NIC. You can notify up to 30 days from completion so if you assessment is within that time your good to go, assuming you pass. Good luck with it!

 

[buzzlightyear]

Also if I remove main fuse

another magic fairy at work again .I wonder where's the tooth fairy is these days !

 

[Octopus]

Why would you need to pull a DNO fuse during the assessment?

They are more interested in your cheque, tea and biscuits, insurances, tester and calibration ..... then the certs for the jobs and your knowledge of testing.

 

[7671]

Why would you need to pull a DNO fuse during the assessment?

They are more interested in your cheque, tea and biscuits, insurances, tester and calibration ..... then the certs for the jobs and your knowledge of testing.

It was more about the level of concern they would show if I'd removed the fuse

 

[Octopus]

It was more about the level of concern they would show if I'd removed the fuse

Don't worry about it.

The schemes have done ABSOLUTELY nothing to make any processes with the suppliers easier for sparks, so they have nothing to contribute to the subject.

Obviously if you were asked directly, you can confirm that the old board switch was off and the fuse was removed by somebody wearing suitable gloves...

 

[7671]

I was told that the supplier is required to be engaged when removing fuse as it under their remit. However nobody does

 

[buzzlightyear]

Obviously if you were asked directly, you can confirm that the old board switch was off and the fuse was removed by somebody wearing suitable gloves...

yeah, pink gloves to go with the pink dress!

 

[Octopus]

I was told that the supplier is required to be engaged when removing fuse as it under their remit. However nobody does

So the supplier gives you a 3 hour window to come and remove the fuse and another 3 hour window to replace it. How the hells is that supposed to work for you? Either you cut corners or you are sitting around for them to return to refit it and seal it.

Its unacceptable.

 

[buzzlightyear]

I was told that the supplier is required to be engaged when removing fuse as it under their remit. However nobody does

now who told out that .the fairy god mother .

 

[Des 56]

Don't volunteer that information, whether you did or didn't remove the fuse and presumably cut the seal has no part in a assessment of your work

It seems to me he would care nothing about it,I can't see its any of his business whether the meter company has intact or broken seals, or whether a cut out fuse has been removed by a n other

 

[NDG Elecs]

If you are concerned about the fuse aspect you could always fit a Wylex rec2 isolator, and the assessor will probably assume the DNO fitted it. But I wouldn't worry about it too much mate.

 

[ruston]

I know we joke about the seal fairy , but in all honesty it is not uncommon up here to see wire seal gone and just a sticky tape seal left in place with multi DNA / DNO saliva on it.

 

[Bob Geldoff1234]

I use these if i have to remove main fuse and reseal afterwards.
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[Gavin John Hyde]

I had a CU change on my most recent assessment, never mentioned the seal fairy visiting, they didnt care. All they want to see is your paperwork, you arent as daft as a lamp post and your test results pretty match align with whats on your test results schedule.
I also showed a CU change and partial rewire for my first DI assessment, I didn't notify building control prior to starting, worse case i would have used the firm i was working for to sign off.
In the event you didn't pass the assessment, and it seems very rare. then they would likely charge you for a second site visit. you could then notify building control and pay 10% on top which i think is standard. as out of time notification. like most people these days they want your money like the niceic!! prosecutions by building control for such things are as rare as unicorns!
once assessment is passed you can notify it yourself on the niceic portal. you are meant to notify within is it 28 or 30 days of the job. but that runs from date on the test results apparently. so date your test results a couple days before the assessment visit.
its a bit like chicken and egg, you cant notify as not in a scheme, but cant join scheme as youve no notifiable jobs, they know this and just play along so you can notify afterwards.

As for pulling fuses, its frowned upon, but its your own risk, if it goes badly wrong , you will likely not know much about it! only you can make the risk assessment on pulling one. but dont make a habit of it!

 

[Deleted member 9648]

I've been breaking seals and pulling fuses for 30+ years. Almost as long as I've been having NIC assessments.
There....I've said it. Too late to change now.

 

[ruston]

Removing is a nicer word than breaking.

 

[buzzlightyear]

I've been breaking seals and pulling fuses for 30+ years

sounds like safe cracker wirepuller to me.

 

[PEG]

It is DNO OCPD and carrier,test and inspect,no certs or paperwork required.

It's in every Regs book,of every colour...it's just written in lemon juice.

 

[7671]

Thanks for all the replies, I get the gist

 

[Des 56]

I've been breaking seals and pulling fuses for 30+ years. Almost as long as I've been having NIC assessments.
There....I've said it. Too late to change now.

And there was me thinking your username may have had something to do with conduit and a fish tape

 

[Midwest]

Thanks for all the replies, I get the gist

Who is your DNO?

 

[sam400]

Don’t worry about the service fuse I haven’t had it mentioned on an assessment.
I would get the notification for the job done before the assessment though as it’s something they like to check.
I got marked down for notifications as the assessor couldn’t check mine on his tablet I had no WiFi as just moved house.
I don’t suppose they can afford 4g tablets...

 

[Midwest]

I would get the notification for the job done before the assessment though as it’s something they like to check.
I got marked down for notifications as the assessor couldn’t check mine on his tablet I had no WiFi as just moved house.
I don’t suppose they can afford 4g tablets...

The OP is having an NIC assessment. As Certsure are keen to market their on-line certification, it might be worth while contacting them on how to resolve this conundrum.

I did my first assessment with Elecsa, before their on-line certificate software went live. I completed an EIC with my own software, ready for my assessment. My assessor then inspected the EIC, then gave me my login details and showed me how to complete the notification process. Obviously, you can't complete the LBC notification, until you have been assessed and been accepted into the scheme, hence why the OP has asked his question.

Now with the completion of an EIC, using the Certsure software, it has made the process of assessment, certification and notification, slightly more complex. Once registered, notification is an automated process, following 'finalisation' of an EIC. ​

 

[lurch]

I've been breaking seals and pulling fuses for 30+ years. Almost as long as I've been having NIC assessments.
There....I've said it. Too late to change now.

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