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[Scornio]

Hi need a bit of advice.

Quoted to do some works within a kitchen. I did a day, then I had a sub contractor finish it for me.

I'm domestic installer. I effectively 'designed' the works done and half did the 'construction' whilst first fixing.

My sub contractor 'tested' the works at the end and filled certificate...I then signed all three signatories but as a collective one signature.

This client was appalled I had used a sub contractor, rang the NICEIC and they have written saying that I can't use one.
This is news to me, as I sub all the time to even bigger companies.

Well, this has gone to court and he has used the two emails sent to him by the NICEIC stating I'm breaching protocol.

Am I missing something or can somebody enlighten me????!!!!

 

[frontier219]

Hi need a bit of advice.

Quoted to do some works within a kitchen. I did a day, then I had a sub contractor finish it for me.

I'm domestic installer. I effectively 'designed' the works done and half did the 'construction' whilst first fixing.

My sub contractor 'tested' the works at the end and filled certificate...I then signed all three signatories but as a collective one signature.

This client was appalled I had used a sub contractor, rang the NICEIC and they have written saying that I can't use one.
This is news to me, as I sub all the time to even bigger companies.

Well, this has gone to court and he has used the two emails sent to him by the NICEIC stating I'm breaching protocol.

Am I missing something or can somebody enlighten me????!!!!

I can only imagine this has something to do with you being a Domestic Installer, because I have subbed for a couple of NIC companies.

 

[newtothis]

Are you a Approved contractor or DI ?

 

[Sintra]

So someone else tested the work and filled in the cert and you signed it. That just sounds wrong to me.

 

[Scornio]

Its a sub contractor who does work with me all the time so i trust him as though he was employed.

 

[markc123]

You've signed it off and you havent a scooby whether hes made up the results or not...are you on crack?

...just seen your last post, trust nobodies work but your own. I wouldn't dream of signing someone elses stuff off no matter how well i knew them.

 

[rapparee]

Why didnt you just fill out the appropiate form with 3 seperate signatures.

 

[Scornio]

I undestand those concerns, i would never sign sombody elses work off. And insist it must be a eic.

 

[Octopus]

Gone to court - on what grounds?

 

[123]

Why did you sign for all parts, rather than get him to sign for the testing which he did?:|

I don't see the issue of having a subbie doing the work and testing, but I'd never be signing the cert for that part

 

[Sintra]

I undestand those concerns, i would never sign sombody elses work off. And insist it must be a eic.

You've already just said that you've signed off somebody else's work.

 

[davesparks]

Would I be right in assuming you didn't discuss using a sub contractor to finish the job with your client before you sent him in there. If not then this may be the root cause of your problem.

 

[7029 dave]

Post 3 , di or approved contractor.?

 

[GMES]

Gone to court - on what grounds?

Breaching protocol according to the niceic in the original post

 

[Octopus]

Why didnt you just fill out the appropiate form with 3 seperate signatures.

Because the self cert schemes don't allow it