Notifiable works.

[jones68]

I am building a small timber frame extension for a client and am planning to wire it myself , I have a part P domestic installers qualification with the 17th C&G. I want to check whether this is notifiable work. As the plan is to extend the existing ring final circuit and lighting circuit only and not add a new circuit my understanding is that it`s not notifiable and can be covered by a minor works certificate ? Any advice much appreciated.

 

[davesparks]

I agree, usually if it looks like a bodge it is a bodge. But I'm sure we have all seen the occasional picture perfect job with dangerous errors.

 

[Silly Sausage]

That's exactly the complacent attitude that needs to be fought mate

Dragging myself from my torpour, that's what they're feeding off!

 

[Simonslimline]

It's nice to see that someone has been listening and now actually believes in what I've been saying for months.
Now, if you head on over to the campaign FB page and share your stories about how you have come to this point of view maybe more will get behind it and we could get some people power going on.

What is the page called or do you have a link to it please trev. Wouldn't mind a look

 

[trev]

Unfortunately it is too late, the scams and the Electrical Trainee are now well established.
I've reread your post Dillb and what you say makes sense so it was unfair of me to have a bit of a pop but I'd rather see us get rid of the schemes as they are at present and start again as we mean to go on.

What is the page called or do you have a link to it please trev. Wouldn't mind a look

It's called UK Electricians Save Our Trade

 

[Plonker 3]

Yeah I could maybe of worded it a bit better, but my point is all short course folk need to prove competence by paying a scam a fee to be assessed at regular intervals maybe even by the scam turning up on sites at short notice, picking jobs they have certified at random rather than being shown a job chosen by them. Then after a set period of time they can be told yes your work is satisfactory you no longer need us to keep a eye on you, away they go so the public know then they are more than capable of doing the job. So abit like a NVQ or equivalent but with stricter terms.

 

[davesparks]

Whilst I will not be renewing my ELECSA registration in October as it doesn't bother me as I don't do jobs where building control are involved I wonder what those of us who do that kind of work can do?

It seems to be generally assumed that building control will charge £300+ per job if you are not registered, which is going to put the knackers on the plan to boycott the schemes.
I think this charge is wrong and will try to find out a bit more about what they are allowed to charge.

Is the Stroma scheme still available? And if it is is it any better than the others?

I'll be looking at registering with BSI instead, but can see many others being happy to shell out the extra cost.

 

[davesparks]

Yeah I could maybe of worded it a bit better, but my point is all short course folk need to prove competence by paying a scam a fee to be assessed at regular intervals maybe even by the scam turning up on sites at short notice, picking jobs they have certified at random rather than being shown a job chosen by them. Then after a set period of time they can be told yes your work is satisfactory you no longer need us to keep a eye on you, away they go so the public know then they are more than capable of doing the job. So abit like a NVQ or equivalent but with stricter terms.

The trouble is the scams don't assess people properly, that's how we've ended up with this nonsense in the first place.
If the scams had assessed people properly then we wouldn't be in this situation.

 

[UNG]

the main problem is not about how long you were trained but competence etc.

So your qualified to make this assessment then like some of the scam assessors that were previously employed in industries other than the one they are assessing competence in

there is someone I know that did a full 4 year apprenticeship and is now qualified and I would rather have kev,wetpants ext trying there hands at electrics.

there that fooking rough.

There is nothing new about that it's been happening for as long as I can remember and probably before that

if these fast tracked sparks etc are treated as electrician's directly under an onsite supervisor I dont see the issue if there not designing or doing anything too technical outside of there abilities.

If they are treated as an electrician they should be capable of all aspects of the job that's what these 5 week courses are selling them isn't it

 

[Plonker 3]

The trouble is the scams don't assess people properly, that's how we've ended up with this nonsense in the first place.
If the scams had assessed people properly then we wouldn't be in this situation.

Oh we all know what a joke they are, that's why we need to get them earning their money rather than just sitting there doing sweet FA, I know we will all have different ideas about what is needed and this is just mine.

 

[trev]

Whilst I will not be renewing my ELECSA registration in October as it doesn't bother me as I don't do jobs where building control are involved I wonder what those of us who do that kind of work can do?

It seems to be generally assumed that building control will charge £300+ per job if you are not registered, which is going to put the knackers on the plan to boycott the schemes.
I think this charge is wrong and will try to find out a bit more about what they are allowed to charge.

Is the Stroma scheme still available? And if it is is it any better than the others?

I'll be looking at registering with BSI instead, but can see many others being happy to shell out the extra cost.

My idea is to play the schemes at their own game, we'd appoint one person to act as "national QS" if you like. They'd notify each job through their registration, this would A keep everyone (sort of) legal and B protect the homeowner.
Yes Stroma still exists, they're no better or worse than the others

 

[dazza1981]

Statistically theres more chance of me being bitten by luis suarez then there is me joining a scheme!!

 

[Plonker 3]

My idea is to play the schemes at their own game, we'd appoint one person to act as "national QS" if you like. They'd notify each job through their registration, this would A keep everyone (sort of) legal and B protect the homeowner.
Yes Stroma still exists, they're no better or worse than the others

Your still feeding a leech doing that thought Trev.

Also who would want the responsibility of several hundred sparks work on their head? Especially after the recent case of that EICR that was done, where later sadly a young mother lost her life due to a screw I'm a cable that wasn't noticed? I know that's not a installation issue but the same thing could still happen?

 

[davesparks]

Ok, that sounds like a good plan, almost creating a scheme within a scheme.

Is it possible to form a new company specifically to hold the registration? Then we could all have access to the one registration process or else someone will end up sitting at a PC registering jobs 24hrs a day.

 

[Plonker 3]

Starting out own scheme would certainly be a option, but I imagine it would need some serious financial backing, I know think someone who is else where on the WWW said a whole ago they looked into it. Could be worth contacting them to see what they managed to find out.

 

[dazza1981]

Starting out own scheme would certainly be a option, but I imagine it would need some serious financial backing, I know think someone who is else where on the WWW said a whole ago they looked into it. Could be worth contacting them to see what they managed to find out.

Jeeze dill you been on the booze mate ????