OK, I'll kick off tonights Political thread.....

[Diddy]

And Appliances Direct!

If there was a "simple" answer I'm sure that Milliband and Balls would have told us by now!

I actually believe there are simple answers to fixing the tax system....But I believe that the big two parties NEED the cash that these big companies give to THEM to keep them in their million pound directorships and also both parties are in the pockets of big business now...Why do you think Labour/Milliband feels so brave when talking about unions and the funding we/they provide for the labour party.....Add to that the lobbying scams that go on daily. We are not talking about loose change either. And the result is you and I get shafted again.

 

[Dcf]

I actually believe there are simple answers to fixing the tax system....But I believe that the big two parties NEED the cash that these big companies give to THEM to keep them in their million pound directorships and also both parties are in the pockets of big business now...Why do you think Labour/Milliband feels so brave when talking about unions and the funding we/they provide for the labour party.....Add to that the lobbying scams that go on daily. We are not talking about loose change either. And the result is you and I get shafted again.

Good points there diddly.
no multi millionaire business man is going too contribute money to a political party without some kind off kickback down the line.
and I don't think it matters really who is in power as they all talk to each other and money talks n that.
Pfi deals were the work of the devil .
my own council sold out to get a new headquarters which can't house them all.
which I thought was the reason in the first place!
the council sold off buildings which were not theirs to sell as in the fact the had been gifted by philanthropist types back in the day.
and after a it all washed out ......
the council did not have enough space in their new council utopia for everyone let alone car parking.
we are at the mercy of these large construction/ bank consortia to charge whatever rates they want for 25 years for maintenance on their lowest denominator build in the first place.
nice one you c****

 

[UNG]

I will read the replies to my post's properly later...I have been out most of the day so have just skim read the replies. BUT 2 things stood out about the replies.
1. PFI started under the tories......so now I point that out like any good politician you spin it round and say well them labour lot used it much more and over used it...just lol - ANY government would have used that model because they get away scot free with the responsibility of paying for it or even answering to the electorate. Also I don't know how how many times I need to say it New Labour were not and are not a socialist government.
2. Why every time the word socialism is used do people just say well look at Russia. Just because they made a bugger of it does not mean the model is defunct. Just because Hitler ended up becoming a mass murdering psychopath does not mean that some of his policies (Of which he was fairly and squarely elected on were not very good policies), Karl Marx was not the fool/idiot that many "think" he was...the trouble with history is it is written by the winners of any given conflict.
If socialism is ALWAYS bad then why is the scandinavian countries doing so well ? And the flip side if capitalism is always good why did we have to use a socialist ideal to rescue the whole bloody world from collapse (There would have been rioting on the streets of the whole of the G8 btw if that idiot Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling had not led the world with the refinancing of the banks - The UK was 48 hours away from military presence on the streets to keep order. If you don't believe that then check out the memoirs of the countries top civil servants and permanent secretaries (The people who really run the country btw as they are never replaced no matter the government) of that week in 2008 when it all happened. The scenario was that one of our majors was basically not going to open it's doors in 24 hours (The monday) if they were not refinanced, This would have had a domino effect on ALL the others - nobody would have had ANY cash. No food - no fuel no power......The only 2 people with the plan to save the system were Brown and Darling, Hank Pulson (The yanks top man at the time) was whimpering like an 8yo school child as he was so out of his mind with worry about what was going to happen....It has even been reported that one CEO at one of the top UK banks went straight out and bought a whole farm as this was all unfolding (So he could feed his family as cahs would have been useless and non existent).
So what they done was refinance the banks - Socialism for the rich.....Well that is the way I see it.
So we have had recessions all through history - does that then follow that capitalism is the way forward ? I would venture that it is far from it.
Would I accept a 40% tax ? In a heartbeat mate - IF it meant that I/we were getting access to the best that there was/is in social justice and care.
Russia took it too far - Power corrupts, Man is his own worst enemy.
Lastly one poster said his mother said Thatchers era was much better than the 70's labour government. Better for who ? Apart from the fact that we are talking about ONE government which lasted 4 years and is not indicative of all the other socialist governments that we enjoyed that gave us lots of "good" things that we moan about and take for granted. Thatcherism was good for the people who went on to steal their childrens and grandchildrens future due to the completely selfish nature of the times. YOU are paying for the "success" of the Thatcher era now. Your kids will pay for it when they start to earn too. Also if you lived north of Watford you never even got a real slice of the pie....the further north the worse it was.
Anyway like I said I just skim read the replies.....I may well post more later.

Added you to my ignore list if you haven't got the courtesy to read the replies properly before replying why should I read yours

 

[Darkwood]

Here we go again.
The banking collapse was caused by the deregulation of the industry in the 1980s this eventually led to the betting shop that became. Another direct result of this was irresponsible lending to people who had no chance of repaying their loans which were often secured on properties that turned out to be worth nowhere near the values put on them by the banks which advanced the loans.
Yet another result was the willingness to loan money to anyone who could sign their name on a piece of paper.
Had the collapse happened under this administration they would have done EXACTLY THE SAME as the government did in 2008, they have admitted that. They would have had no other choice but to do so, it was a necessary evil to avert the catastrophe that would have followed.
Now, the next thing that's usually said is "Ah but Labour were in power for 13 years and did nothing to reverse the deregulation" well that's a pretty shallow argument because this lot have been in power for 4 years now and have done nothing either, nor are they likely to.
I'll acknowledge that tory-lite are unlikely to re regulate the industry, that does not mean that it does not need to be done.

You can't impose sanctions on a banking system that ultimately controls the governments moneys .. this has always been the case and always will ... stop been naughty or ill punish you and by the way we need to borrow X amount, increase our national debt but don't tell anyone.... sadly the reality check of the crash hasn't seen a lot of change.

A pupil cannot put his headmaster into detention no matter how unfair the headmaster has been.... it simply doesn't work that way.

 

[Diddy]

Added you to my ignore list if you haven't got the courtesy to read the replies properly before replying why should I read yours

Well thats mature. Don't know weather I will ever sleep as well again lol. I did preface by saying that I had skim read the replies first and was going to read and respond more properly later. But it's all cool I am happy for you not to read my posts. Have a good week.