One to confuse you all!!

[axel132132]

Right then this has now happened to me twice.. and ive not a clue whats going on so if anyone has had the same issue it would be good to see what causing it.

Anyways SO i have a 2G2W light switch upstairs and a 2G2W light switch downstairs.. I Wire them both correct.. Up have Brown from 3-core in Common, then black in L1 and grey in L2 and Live in in L1 and Live out in L2.. that controls the lights on the stairs..

Then i do exactly the same with the upstairs lights. Feed in, feed out L1 + L2 etc.. ok all simple so far..

NOW COMES THE CONFUSING BIT..

The stair lights are working fine on the 2-way wikid..
The LED spotlights in the celing dont work.. OK

SO i swap the cables, basically swapping the switch.. NOW the LED spotlights work on the 2-way but the stair lights dont..

OK so maybe the switch is broke.. Change the switch (TWICE still dosent work)..

Umm maybe i have a strapper down or something.. Bell out the strappers.. BELL OUT FINE.. ok now WHAT the hell is going on here??????? Switch is fine, strappers fine and if i move the strappers from one switch to the other it works so this proves that the Live IN to switch and the Live to the light works an that all the lamps are working..

any ideas anyone?

cheers

 

[VoltzElectrical]

check your switch. Take it off the wall, put your continuity testers on them and operate the switch. Had a batch of double pole switches with broken neutral mechanism before now. I expect you have confirmed this already though. It's something simple though mate.

 

[VoltzElectrical]

Nope prob not but i did it anyway =]

On the student accommodation we used to do on price we always powered up and function tested before getting the man from the company come around and test/ certificate. Better than getting a snag list to go back on!

 

[ashrow]

hehe, i always switch on with out dead tests around my own home

 

[axel132132]

Yeh thats what i done just powered up to func test. Ill check that switch tomorrow then i didnt check i just assumed that 3 switches cant be faulty lol

 

[VoltzElectrical]

what make switch BTW?

 

[vernam616]

Not trying to jump onto the wrong neutral are you?

as said above draw it out, it helps loads

But seriously, its a 2 way lighting circuit, im highly surprised that 3 sparks have had a look and not sussed it out by now, well actually not that surprised if they are anything like some of the members we get on here

Good luck with it, if you get stuck im sure theres plenty of decent sparks locally

 

[vernam616]

Just re-read your original post

Why are you wiring the live out into L2?

when wired at the switch, live in and live out in a connector, a fly lead from the connector into L1 along with black, then the switch line( one that go's to LEDs in L2 along with grey

 

[Golden_Boy]

check your switch. Take it off the wall, put your continuity testers on them and operate the switch. Had a batch of double pole switches with broken neutral mechanism before now. I expect you have confirmed this already though. It's something simple though mate.

2 way switching...cannot be complicated.. its just NOT.

 

[axel132132]

I dont get what people are saying here i have 2 switches WIRED EXACTLY THE SAME RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER how hard is that to understand ONE WORKS FINE the other dosent work.. THEY ARE WIRED CORRECT im not thick! Ive also tried wiring it the other method as if it was wired in singles.. Thats same didnt work..

But vernam... dunno if u ment it to sound like you did but your basically saying were not 'Decent Sparks'

Well these not 'Decent Sparks' that we are wire Mansion New builds, all audio systems, alarm systems technical ****.. also do full tesco new builds etc SO i think a 2-way lighting is on the EXTREMELY EASY TO WIRE section of what we do!

 

[RogertheBodger]

Hi Axel.

As Vernam has pointed out, when you talk about 'live in - live out' in your OP I find the terminology confusing, can you confirm that you have 2 lives and 2 switch lives to each switch? or are you looping 1 live to both switches - if so the live should be looped from L1 on one switch to L1 on the next switch, and your switch lives go in L2.

 

[RogertheBodger]

I dont get what people are saying here i have 2 switches WIRED EXACTLY THE SAME RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER how hard is that to understand ONE WORKS FINE the other dosent work.. THEY ARE WIRED CORRECT im not thick! Ive also tried wiring it the other method as if it was wired in singles.. Thats same didnt work..

But vernam... dunno if u ment it to sound like you did but your basically saying were not 'Decent Sparks'

Well these not 'Decent Sparks' that we are wire Mansion New builds, all audio systems, alarm systems technical ****.. also do full tesco new builds etc SO i think a 2-way lighting is on the EXTREMELY EASY TO WIRE section of what we do!

We are trying to help you, if you have wired and connected it right, it would be working wouldn't it?

 

[axel132132]

Yeh JESUS man im gonna stop bothering I KNOW HOW TO WIRE A FRIKIN SWITCH JESUS CRIST WHATS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND... soz but your all talking to me like im thick!.. Yes i have one brown cable that comes in from the mainsboard to the switch it then leaves to the next switch yes these are in L1 and a link over to the other switch OBVIOUSLY

Everyone needs to stop worrying about the simple stuff IM NOT A RETARD and have checked all the simple OBVIOUS stuff

Yes the switch is wired right
Yes the lights are working
Yes the cables are fine

Who knows its just bizzare

 

[ashrow]

axel, calm down, we are not there and we are trying to find out what you see, connected etc, there is no magic fix

As i see you are a Arms member you must be a sparkie (according to the site admin/owner) so dont get irate and things will get sorted

Personal opinion.......Stuff what i posted above, i looked at your web site in your forum signature, if you are that good then how can you not fix such a small issue

You remind me of a local firm that are big on marketing and very poor on the staff that they employ

2way lighting is 1st year apprentice install

 

[MDJ]

well you have confirmed all wiring is correct, you have confirmed it is exactly the same as the adjacent switch and everything is correct, so it must be a faulty light switch then must'n it?unless you have missed out any other info which could help us work it out, it's a 2 way switch and as ashrow above mentioned calm down, if all wiring is right and all cables confirmed not to be broken via continuity tests then it must be the switch, just buy another and there you go.

 

[ackbarthestar]

possible causes IMO with the information presented here

1/ continuity on the failed 2-way switch line - could be a cut cable

2/ Failed switch on a 2-way lighting circuit - had one of those on Tuesday

3/ Live feed from switch-line 1 L1/L2 not connected to switch-line 2 L1/L2

4/ Only one switch line down to 2-ganged switch

5/ second switch line not connected up at 2nd rose or JB

I assume that the conversion method is use? If not then there are a few more possibilities