One to confuse you all!!

[axel132132]

Right then this has now happened to me twice.. and ive not a clue whats going on so if anyone has had the same issue it would be good to see what causing it.

Anyways SO i have a 2G2W light switch upstairs and a 2G2W light switch downstairs.. I Wire them both correct.. Up have Brown from 3-core in Common, then black in L1 and grey in L2 and Live in in L1 and Live out in L2.. that controls the lights on the stairs..

Then i do exactly the same with the upstairs lights. Feed in, feed out L1 + L2 etc.. ok all simple so far..

NOW COMES THE CONFUSING BIT..

The stair lights are working fine on the 2-way wikid..
The LED spotlights in the celing dont work.. OK

SO i swap the cables, basically swapping the switch.. NOW the LED spotlights work on the 2-way but the stair lights dont..

OK so maybe the switch is broke.. Change the switch (TWICE still dosent work)..

Umm maybe i have a strapper down or something.. Bell out the strappers.. BELL OUT FINE.. ok now WHAT the hell is going on here??????? Switch is fine, strappers fine and if i move the strappers from one switch to the other it works so this proves that the Live IN to switch and the Live to the light works an that all the lamps are working..

any ideas anyone?

cheers

 

[axel132132]

Yah gonna do that tomoz, was just making sure that there isnt some weird thing going on like something you wouldnt expect and someone has had the same before i go back tomoz and change it for it still to not work ha

 

[RogertheBodger]

Yah gonna do that tomoz, was just making sure that there isnt some weird thing going on like something you wouldnt expect and someone has had the same before i go back tomoz and change it for it still to not work ha

The paranormal switch theory is beginning to sound good, think it has distinct possibilities, don't know much about them personally, must have had that day off at college, mind you, it was a long time ago. Lol

 

[VoltzElectrical]

possible causes IMO with the information presented here

1/ continuity on the failed 2-way switch line - could be a cut cable

2/ Failed switch on a 2-way lighting circuit - had one of those on Tuesday

3/ Live feed from switch-line 1 L1/L2 not connected to switch-line 2 L1/L2

4/ Only one switch line down to 2-ganged switch

5/ second switch line not connected up at 2nd rose or JB

I assume that the conversion method is use? If not then there are a few more possibilities

From what I have read, only 2 remains a possibility. He has linked out the live and switched live to confirm that the lights come on, so it is a switching problem.

 

[mark80]

If youve checked continuity and IR'd the strappers and twin and earths down to the switches and theyre fine, then the switches must be faulty. Have you checked for voltage at the LED lights when they appear not to work? Just incase its a neutral issue or something, cant see it being this if theyve been working in the other side of the 2 gang switch!
You will have probs already done this, but have you checked the other 2 way switch that controls these lights?

 

[Rockingit]

When all the other possibilities have been discounted, whatever remains - however unlikely - has to be the answer.

You have one light(set), 2 switches, 2 cables and one supply. The options for point of failure are limited.

 

[axel132132]

This is true! ha i was just stood there thinking all the possibilites and id used them all.. And was like surely! WHAT THE HELL anyways must be the switch so shall change it =] gracias all

 

[ackbarthestar]

From what I have read, only 2 remains a possibility. He has linked out the live and switched live to confirm that the lights come on, so it is a switching problem.

It looks as though you maybe right. However, its quite common to have a poor connection in a wago or other JB where the conductors test out ok when disconnected and remain disconnected / not making contact when connected. The newer cheaper connector blocks give that impression. Although a dodgy batch of switches appear to be the most likely cause...

 

[vernam616]

Wiring mansions? and your on here asking why your 2 way switch isnt working?

I wouldnt let you wire a plug let alone a mansion

FFS what are you expecting us to say " oh maybe its a ghost "

There is an explanation a very simple one infact...... You arnt competant enough, like said above its one of the first things you learn, and had you tested the cabling out correctly im 100% sure the fault would show

Everyday i read stupid s**t like this on here from people who actually call themselves electricians and charge people for the privellege

 

[ashrow]

With out being to rude, if i could not wire a switch then i certainly would not post it in a forum where loads of electricians hang out. Yes even us electricians have tech issues but a switch is not one of them

 

[vernam616]

Ashrow why do you say " Without being too rude"?

He has been rude most of the way through it and deserves all the roasting he gets.
Ialso happened to notice some of his previous posts on wiring basic things, do these mansion owners know who they have let in?

Own up pal before you endanger someones life

 

[Shropshire]

Call an electrician.

 

[axel132132]

Lmao, wow i have explained from the start i know how its wired end of day i was asking if anyone else has had similar issues. Something not so SIMPLE being the fact that maybe i have had 2 broken switches WHICH i thought was EXTREMELY UNLIKELY now tomorrow i am buying a NEW 2G2W SWITCH and when i put that on its gonna work.. I personally didn't think that it was likely to have 2 broken switches. But clearly it is.

Other than that i Dont know were you have got the idea that i cannot wire a 2-way.. This is very bizarre where you seem to have come up with that.. Just by the simple fact that in my original post i have stated that it is a 2 gang 2 way light switch and one side of the switch which is 2-way WORKS PERFECTLY FINE and this side is exactly the same but does not work

NOW Im not a genius, nor am i some extreme brainiac BUT i believe by that simple sentence above it CLEARLY states that i know how to wire a 2-way OR the first switch WHICH WORKS clearly wouldn't work

Some people annoy me becoming electricians WHEN THEY ARE THICK AS PIG SH!T.. Utter retards

and Shropshire - I have just read about your post on Hotel re-wire...

Call an electrician mate

End of good bye

 

[electric will]

Most sparks have a few switches on the van anyway, how come you didn't have any?

 

[axel132132]

Umm switches are specialist £110 later - Some specialist MK chrome like scratch resistant mirror ones there absolutely mental you have to wear gloves just to fit them :S

Also im Labour only i dont supply the gear

 

[electric will]

What's wrong with lobbing a standard white plastic one on for diagnostics?