Outdoor socket notifiable

[067256]

Sorry to go over old ground but just need clarification. I have extended the ring main in a kitchen and customer now wants an outdoor socket. Is this now notifiable?
I believe not as ammended rules state notifiable for new DB, new circuit, work in special location?
Thanks.

 

[telectrix]

new circuit/s in a kitchen is still notifiable though. interesting thing i just seen in the revised part p doc. is that it states that an notifiable work done by a non-scam member may be inspected by a registered competent person who would complete an EICR, not an EIC.

 

[R G]

new circuit/s in a kitchen is still notifiable though. interesting thing i just seen in the revised part p doc. is that it states that an notifiable work done by a non-scam member may be inspected by a registered competent person who would complete an EICR, not an EIC.

I know new is notifiable , but all theses fitters are going to do is extend and reuse the existing as we all know ,,

 

[Geoffsd]

This now lets kitchen fitters do what they want now , what a grave mistake , after all a major part of our work is putting right what they have done.

Yes, which was one of the original reasons for all this P nonsense.

A cynic may suspect lobbying by the big companies (which didn't work in Wales (yet)).

 

[NickD]

All I can think is there must be more cowboys in the badlands as in gods own country we've still kept the 'original' part P definitions! Or is it that they just dont trust us ......

Wales should have its very own Part LL.

 

[willy fixit]

Does not the spur to the garden (or anywhere) count as a new circuit? Or does it have to be from the CU?

 

[Richard Burns]

Any spur is adding to an existing circuit, a new circuit would be a new protective device at the consumer unit with dedicated cabling.

 

[Engineer54]

All this ''limited scope'' crap for kitchen fitters, plumbers and the like, brought about by the scam providers to line their own coffers, should be brought to an immediate and abrupt end forthwith.
The worst intrusion into our industry next to the creation of the Electrical Trainee's. This is yet another nail in the demise of the UK's electrical industry. It's not seen anywhere else in the Western World, ...and for very good reasons!!


An absolutely ludicrous situation!!!

 

[NickD]

I think we need more publicity for when electricity causes harm. Obviously if someone actually gets electrocuted there's a fair chance it makes the papers/media and into the public awareness. But other than that, you hardly hear a thing. When there's a gas explosion it's always in the media as GAS EXPLOSION!!!! and so people get the (correct) impression that messing with gas is bloody stupid if you aren't a pro. What you don't get is HOUSE FIRE CAUSED BY ELECTRICS!!!! so people start thinking electrics are inherently fairly safe and it's OK to mess with. This needs to change.

 

[uksparks]

It is very clear and in plain English on page 6 of Approved Document P section 2.5

No it is NOT notifiable.



Approved Document P here: http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/br/BR_PDF_AD_P_2013.pdf

 

[Octopus]

Just to confuse things a little more....It depends how many storeys the house has

??????

 

[uksparks]

Just to confuse things a little more....It depends how many storeys the house has

Maybe up your way, but down here it makes no odds.

 

[spark 68]

All this ''limited scope'' crap for kitchen fitters, plumbers and the like, brought about by the scam providers to line their own coffers, should be brought to an immediate and abrupt end forthwith.
The worst intrusion into our industry next to the creation of the Electrical Trainee's. This is yet another nail in the demise of the UK's electrical industry. It's not seen anywhere else in the Western World, ...and for very good reasons!!


An absolutely ludicrous situation!!!

The thing is though E54, before Part Pee anybody could do anything with no notification required at all, not that I am defending Part Pee, far from it, but before that there was no need to be even a Electrical Trainee, limited scope or anything else.

Part Pee was always half-arsed, and is part of the problem, it forms a self perpetuating scam always round.

I am not really sure what the answer is to be honest, unless we go the fully licensed route, which somehow I cannot see happening anytime soon in this country.

Even if we did go fully licensed there has always been those that will ignore it.

Edit: I personally think that notification had bog all to do with safety (although it was claimed under that guise), and more to do with tax and tradespeople working "on the black" by providing a paper trail.