Outside Lights Regulations

[ezzzekiel]

thanks for the reg numbers malc was going to look them up this morning but (was late last night) but you saved me a job.

 

[ian.settle1]

Gents,
I think most of you have fallen into that trap of assuming again, the op has not told us where the lights are located (whether on the outside wall of building, at the end of the garden pathetc), the method of running the cable, type of cable etc.

I am an electrician and not a clarvoyant so until he gives us futher information how can we correctly give him an answer?

 

[telectrix]

Telectrix back me up cause i got that one from one of your posts.... Many times am i going too need to read the regs book to be fluent in what im saying)

where you are getting confused is from a post i made some time ago, where i said that lights fixed to the outside wall of a building were not notifiable under part p.

 

[nick182]

yeah hes a bit vague on the details.. they could be highway lights for all we know.

 

[malcolmsanford]

yeah hes a bit vague on the details.. they could be highway lights for all we know.

And even then they don't need RCD protection, and I would have to have my arm twisted and tortured to fit RCD's to highway Lights ................but many authorities ask for them I know. Providing I could get the 5sec on a TN system and the 1 sec on a TT system..................no RCD

 

[ian.settle1]

When I worked for Liverpool City council most of street lighting and other street furniture where on unmetered supplies from Manweb cables with the council paying a set amount a year based on the calculated consumption a year.

 

[IQ Electrical]

When I worked for Liverpool City council most of street lighting and other street furniture where on unmetered supplies from Manweb cables with the council paying a set amount a year based on the calculated consumption a year.

Yes, that's the usual setup.

 

[davie spark]

Davie as I tried to get the other lads to do have a read of section 559 with regard to RCD protection for lighting then 559.10.3.2. Yuo will see what the regs recommend

I know an rcd is not a requirement in the regs for outside lights in the wiring is run in safe zones, the advice I was giving was 'to be on the safe side', he didn't mention the route (as I remember, but didn't read back to check) and as compliance with the regs is MINIMAL compliance, installing an rcd is a safer option, that's what I was trying to impart given that most posters on here are looking for advice on how to safely install whatever it is they are on about.

 

[IQ Electrical]

I know an rcd is not a requirement in the regs for outside lights in the wiring is run in safe zones, the advice I was giving was 'to be on the safe side', he didn't mention the route (as I remember, but didn't read back to check) and as compliance with the regs is MINIMAL compliance, installing an rcd is a safer option, that's what I was trying to impart given that most posters on here are looking for advice on how to safely install whatever it is they are on about.

The thing is, the OP was asking about the REGULATIONS, not opinions on what is safer, it's much better to say for example: There is no specific regulation requiring RCD protection for external lighting however I prefer to incorporate this into my design as I feel............

Instead, someone posted that 'you must have RCD protection for external lighting bacause the light will be outside of the equipotential zone' which is just not true.

 

[malcolmsanford]

I know an rcd is not a requirement in the regs for outside lights in the wiring is run in safe zones, the advice I was giving was 'to be on the safe side', he didn't mention the route (as I remember, but didn't read back to check) and as compliance with the regs is MINIMAL compliance, installing an rcd is a safer option, that's what I was trying to impart given that most posters on here are looking for advice on how to safely install whatever it is they are on about.

Davie I don't like to nit pick but with every post your just fogging the matter more, what safe zones, there are no identified safe zones in an outside situation unless you are burying the cable into an outside wall and need additional protection as per reg 522.6.7

 

[aftabjaved]

Hi all
Thank showing interest and answering my request. It may be interest to you all what I found since I posted.
For outside lights:
A limit of 100 lamp watts will be imposed for exterior fittings: down from 150 lamp watts. They are cover be “the clean neighbourhoods and environment act2005”.
They must not be nuisance and glare.
[FONT=&quot]Outside lighting:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]

• [FONT=&quot]Each lamp must not exceed a maximum of 100 watts[/FONT]
• [FONT=&quot]PIRs and or light sensor or a time switch to turn off during sufficient daylight. [/FONT]
• [FONT=&quot]Outside light must not be light pollutant, cause nuisance and glare. [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]

 

[ian.settle1]

Hi all
Thank showing interest and answering my request. It may be interest to you all what I found since I posted.
For outside lights:
A limit of 100 lamp watts will be imposed for exterior fittings: down from 150 lamp watts. They are cover be “the clean neighbourhoods and environment act2005”.
They must not be nuisance and glare.
[FONT=&quot]Outside lighting:[/FONT]

• [FONT=&quot]Each lamp must not exceed a maximum of 100 watts[/FONT]
• [FONT=&quot]PIRs and or light sensor or a time switch to turn off during sufficient daylight. [/FONT]
• [FONT=&quot]Outside light must not be light pollutant, cause nuisance and glare. [/FONT]

Well bugger me side ways it seems that what he wanted was nothing to do with what everyone was quoting about:50:

 

[Spoon]

Well bugger me side ways

Is that an order....

 

[MarkieSparkie]

Hi, Welcome to the forum.

 

[davie spark]

Davie I don't like to nit pick but with every post your just fogging the matter more, what safe zones, there are no identified safe zones in an outside situation unless you are burying the cable into an outside wall and need additional protection as per reg 522.6.7

This following reply is for you and IQ; Regarding the comment ' The thing is, the OP was asking about the REGULATIONS', and the comment 'Davie I don't like to nit pick but with every post your just fogging the matter more'. For a start, I hope you are not suggesting that irrespective of what B.S.7671 says an outside light is safer without RCD protection than it is with it. I've been in the electrical industry for 49 years, I've held management posts, run multi-million pound contracts in which the specification would make the regs book look like the Beano, I've taught in the industry for 20 years. I offered 'real' advice but you two seem intent on being regulations policemen and again IRRESPECTIVE of what B.S. 7671 says my posts have promoted safety to a higher standard than what B.S.7671 advocates but it seems you two are intent on sticking to the book and if there's one thing I can't abide it's pretensious people. I didn't see anything in any of your posts which said i.e. (seeing as how it was suggested I do this), 'well, the regs say you don't need and RCD but really it would make the installation safer if one was installed'. Ring any bells?
P.S. Please remove my log in from your forum I don't have time for this ****. Thank you.