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Sorry for the delay fellow Englishman I am in a different time zone and only on my iPhone. May be you could look at the bigger picture here and ask who actually funds these groups? Al Qaeda and the Islamic State (ISIS) are funded by the CIA. Look it up on the internet you don't need me to spell it out! Everything is to do with Money

No offence mate but you don't seem to know much about the situation other than what you've read on the Internet. I'm not claiming to be an expert on anything either but the whole situation is something that I've paid a lot of attention to over the last 15-20 years, and until any of my points in post 24 are argued against properly, and disproven (which they won't be), I'm not gonna converse on the subject anymore.
 
This clip although a few yrs old sums up everything for me and is still very relevent for a realistic insight to the issue.

[video=youtube;Ry3NzkAOo3s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s[/video]
 
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Let’s see if I understand this correctly...
-The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
-The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
-The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
-The underwear Bomber was a Muslim
-The U.S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
-The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims
-The Bafi Nightclub Bombers were Muslims
-The London Subway Bombers were Muslims
-The Moscow Theater Attackers were Muslims
-The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims
-The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims
-The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims
-The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims
-The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims
-The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Muslims
-The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims
-The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims
-The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims
-The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims
-The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims
-The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims
-The first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims
-The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims
-The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims
-The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims
Think of it:
Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Christians = No Problem
Hindus living with Jews = No Problem
Christians living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Confucians = No Problem
Confucians living with Baha'is = No Problem
Baha'is living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem
Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Baha'is = No Problem
Baha'is living with Christians = No Problem
Christians living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem
Confusians living with Hindus = No Problem
***WHEREAS...
Muslims living with Hindus = Problem
Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem
Muslims living with Christians = Problem
Muslims living with Jews = Problem
Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem
Muslims living with Baha'is = Problem
Muslims living with Shintos = Problem
Muslims living with Atheists = Problem
MUSLIMS LIVING WITH MUSLIMS = BIG PROBLEM
***SO THIS LEADS TO...
They're not happy in Gaza
They're not happy in Egypt
They're not happy in Libya
They're not happy in Morocco
They're not happy in Iran
They're not happy in Iraq
They're not happy in Yemen
They're not happy in Afghanistan
They're not happy in Pakistan
They're not happy in Syria
They're not happy in Lebanon
They're not happy in Nigeria
They're not happy in Kenya
They're not happy in Sudan
***So, where are they happy?...
They're happy in Australia
They're happy in England
They're happy in Belgium
They're happy in France
They're happy in Italy
They're happy in Germany
They're happy in Sweden
They're happy in the USA & Canada
They're happy in Norway & India
They're happy in almost every country that is not Islamic!
And who do they blame? Not Islam... Not their leadership... Not themselves...
THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!!
And they want to change the countries they're happy in, to be like the countries they came from where they were unhappy and finally they will get hammered !!!!
Islamic Jihad: AN ISLAMIC TERROR DIRECTIVE
ISIS: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Qaeda: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Taliban: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Hamas: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Hezbollah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Boko Haram: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Nusra: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Abu Sayyaf: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Badr: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Muslim Brotherhood: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Lashkar-e-Taiba: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Palestine Liberation Front: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Ansaru: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Jemaah Islamiyah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Abdullah Azzam Brigades: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION AND A LOT MORE !!!!!!!
I'm sorry, I'm completely stumped...... Any idea who's causing the problem???

Oh Gawd, I smell a facebook copy/paste. Apologies if I'm wrong but this is the kinda sweetly packaged opinion rants you get on social media, designed to attract clicks or likes or whatever you have to do nowadays to spread it.
 
No offence mate but you don't seem to know much about the situation other than what you've read on the Internet. I'm not claiming to be an expert on anything either but the whole situation is something that I've paid a lot of attention to over the last 15-20 years, and until any of my points in post 24 are argued against properly, and disproven (which they won't be), I'm not gonna converse on the subject anymore.

Thats fine, I was not looking for an arguemet. I was just stating look at the bigger picture
 
Thats fine, I was not looking for an arguemet. I was just stating look at the bigger picture

I am looking at the bigger picture and making my mind up about it, while dispelling popular left wing apologists' theories. Look into what I've said in that post mate and you'll start to understand things a bit better, and I don't mean to sound condescending when I say that.
 
Another guy I respect and knows his stuff... like I said earlier some very nasty passages exist in most religious txt - its a matter of who does the reading and teaching as to how its interpreted.

[video=youtube;te-lkWfyAow]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te-lkWfyAow[/video]
 
This is from first hand experience...

A few weeks ago I went over to Cialis and worked in the "Jungle" refugee camp and built a school/classroom. Those kids have nothing and learning in a classroom is better than learning from the ---- filled streets/roads and paths of a refugee camp. Most of the children are Muslim. It is better to educate the next generation the way of the world now, or regret their actions in the decades to come.

"Helping out refugees" I hear you cry!! I did it for the kids and I will stand my ground on the matter. (go there and see for yourself).

Now reports have been confirmed that at least one of the terrorists was a refugee/asylum seeker, please do not think that he came from a refugee camp and tarnish them all with the same brush. The terrorists are funded and organized, unlike the human beings that have fled from their homes due to Islamic state brutality. They have been forced out of their Muslim country in search of a peaceful life. It reminds me of the saying... "Guns dont kill people, people kill people".


I've been asked to return to the Jungle from the 3 main volunteering organisations for other projects. I've declined due to the projects may help refugees enter the UK illegally. A hand full of these men in my opinion may turn to extremism if they have not already.


This is a seriously F-ed up situation without an answer. More attacks will happen over the years in more countries, more lives will be taken. It is a loosing battle for both sides, the terrorists will never win, the free world will never get rid of all the terrorists!
 
No offence mate but you don't seem to know much about the situation other than what you've read on the Internet. I'm not claiming to be an expert on anything either but the whole situation is something that I've paid a lot of attention to over the last 15-20 years, and until any of my points in post 24 are argued against properly, and disproven (which they won't be), I'm not gonna converse on the subject anymore.

Nor am I. If 15-20 years of reading 'The Sun' gives you your opinion as expressed in previous posts. God help you.
 
I'm really confused, you're advocating carpet bombing which is going to kill high numbers of innocents....... because the Paris and New York attacks killed high numbers of innocents. So it's obviously not the killing of innocents that you have an issue with, in which case what's got you so up in arms you're advocating carpet bombing?
Well I am saying our innocents are dying, and we need to do something about that, firstly get in there and vet all men under 30, when we leave let the governments know it is now up to them to keep things tidy, we cannot afford to keep going in there sorting out the mess, next time we will have to protect our innocents it will be theirs who may suffer, a threat to thee terrorists, you keep coming into our countries killing our innocents and our patience will run out and you will have to feel the pain, we cannot keep letting you get away with it.
 
Also regardless of who started what and who is to blame for how we got here the fact remains that we now face a clear and present danger from isis and no amount of finger pointing is going to change that. We now have to launch a military strike against them with all allied nations working together to rid the world of these barbarians.
Totally agree, and my earlier point marv is struggling with is that in doing so some of the innocents there may suffer like ours have but they started it, mass bombing of ISIS areas may have to happen, it is us or them, this selective bombing hasn't worked, lets get in there and kick the crap out of them, our kids futures are at stake.
 
We may have to do another germany, split the countries up and divide them for 30 years if we do not decide to eradicate these terrrorists, when I become a grandad I do not want to think my grand children could be blown to bits or shot in the street everytime they go out, we need to clear the mess up now, we need to take action. Talking about this now is good but action needed, the muslim communities need to know they need to start cooperation as well, although a tiny amount are involved, a lot know about it, I remember the guy on the run in gloucester a few years back, he was hidden from the police by 3 different families, in the end the pressure got so much one family grassed the guy, this ended tensions, so cooperate and get a grip or feel the wrath of the west.
 

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