Part P and the law

[Dylan242]

Hi All
Im new here, have seen alot of good advice on here so am hoping someone can help clarify some questions I have about part P
I'm aware that a very small amount of work can be done with out having to get approval from the local authority, but am i breaking the law if, hypothetically I was asked to connect up a new shower for a freind, but it turns out the existing cable is 6mm and the 8.5Kw shower requires a 10 mm cable, so if the new cable is run and a suitably sized RCBO (40A 30 mA) is fitted in the CU is that breaking the law? And what can/would the local authority do about it?

Sorry if this post is a bit long winded, but to me this part P thing seems a bit of a farce really.

Thanks

Dylan

 

[Guest55]

I see what you mean - but remember that if a mouse goes in the insulation then there is high chance that the insulation will move - also as the insulation settles it will move.
I've yet to see a mouse move layers of insulation lol

The only way to be 100% that the gap is right is to pin the insulation back far enough from the cable.
Which is a 10min job , alot quicker and cheaper than putting in a new circuit.
Then because you have got the wall down you might as well do a proper job and install a new cable anyway!
What wall ? no need to take any wall down if theres an existing shower as the plumbing is already present.

Dont take short-cuts just to save a little bit of cash - it will come back and bight you later!

Plus he will have to please LABC - you dont want to do the work - issue an install cert and they com out to test it and see the insulation on the cert and a 6mm cable - they will fail it and tell him to redo it again!
Well they wont come out and test it if a installation cert has been submitted.

Something bugs me about this thread that comes up alot and its this.....
Everytime a non part p registered spark comes on the forum asking advice everyone automatically assumes he wont have test equipment and they wont issue serts ???
Why ??
I've never joined a scheme of any sorts yet have worked as a freelance electrical tester for over 10 years !
The domestic installer gangs must think they invented certificates listening to how they go on about it all the time.
Alot of the usual tedious scaremongering going on as well.
Exactly how many sparks have been to prison because they didnt notify ?

 

[Spazz]

1st - If installation is bunched up under pressure a mouse can push the insulation out of the way!
2nd - A wall with big enough gap and air flow MAY NOT be a 10mm install - need to see it first!
3rd - He said "and the bathroom wall is insulated too" - therefore this needs to be taken into account!
4th - How do you know the tester/LABC wont ask for an EIC?
5th - this non registered spark(?) came on asking does it have to be notified - nothing about he has test equipment or not! - it was just a question asking has he got any - nothing else!

 

[Spazz]

I've never joined a scheme of any sorts yet have worked as a freelance electrical tester for over 10 years !
?

I dont know your background!

Are you domestic or commercial - if domestic - then how do you sign off your work?

 

[Guest55]

Commercial , domestic , civils , highways for EICRs / PIR,s
Do very little domestic installs so notification not an issue.

 

[topquark]

...... the size of the cable is a personal opinion - as long as he installs a cable which has the right current caring capacity - which a 10mm cable has - so the size of the cable is not an issue here

I liked the though of cable caring for current ..... sorry I couldn't resist, it made me laugh

 

[Dave 85]

Dylan 242 whatever you do DONT REPLACE THIS SHOWER!!!
Just because you are a fully qualified spark doesnt mean its safe!!!

If you dont notify LABC.....
KILLER MICE WILL COME AND WRAP THE CABLE IN SO MUCH INSULATION THAT IT WILL EXPLODE KILLING THE WHOLE FAMILY AND PROBABLY THE NEIGHBOURS
Do not under estimate the threat presented by a mouse!!! IT WILL COME BACK AND BITE YOU LATER!!!!

then you will have to go to PRISON!!! Big hairy men will want to be intimate with you!!! Are you sure you're prepared for this???


YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!

 

[kingeri]

Hahahaha OMG I just choked on my tea

 

[Deleted member 26818]

I don't know why people are informing you that you must notify?
It is the householder's, or person ordering the work's responsibility to notify, not the person conducting the work.
There are two methods that the person ordering the work can use to make notification.
One is to pre-notify the intended works to the Local Authority Building Control, pay the appropriate fee, and comply with Building Control's requirements for inspection etc.
The other method is to employ someone who is registered with a Competent Persons scheme. That person will then make notification through their scheme after the work is completed.
In some cases, LABCs will allow retrospective notification, usually at a higher cost than pre-notification.
Your responsibilities, are to inform your customer of the available options. Nothing else.

 

[JUD]

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[alarm man]

you have to watch those mice..

 

[UNG]

Is this a job for for a man or a mouse

Are these insulation moving mice easy to get hold of as I'm wondering if they can install cables as well as they move the insulation would make a useful addition to the toolbox

 

[trev]

I hope they're wearing the correct PPE when doing all this insulation moving. They must be the size of rabbits or very very small shetland ponies.

 

[Dave 85]

Is this a job for for a man or a mouse

Are these insulation moving mice easy to get hold of as I'm wondering if they can install cables as well as they move the insulation would make a useful addition to the toolbox

Mice are most certainly not competent to carry out any sort of electrical work!!!! They do not have the correct test equipment, are not registered, are regularly unqualified and have very little uderstanding of electrical theory. Let the mice do the home insulation, loft conversions, dry lining etc LEAVE ELECTRICAL WORK TO THE EXPERTS!!!

 

[alarm man]

Mice are most certainly not competent to carry out any sort of electrical work!!!! They do not have the correct test equipment, are not registered, are regularly unqualified and have very little uderstanding of electrical theory. Let the mice do the home insulation, loft conversions, dry lining etc LEAVE ELECTRICAL WORK TO THE EXPERTS!!!

i find tom is more angry since jerry done a 5 week course...tom done a jib apprenticeship with tc...rrr:

 

[Spazz]

I liked the though of cable caring for current ..... sorry I couldn't resist, it made me laugh

Sorry Dyslexic!

In regards to the mice - yes I had a laugh as well! - good joke

I was mainly on about if you munch insulation up together (not cutting it) it will be under tension as it wants to go back flat - a small movement could trigger a spring reaction to make it fall back against the cable.

Yes the best way is to cut the installation but either way - back to the OP - as said endless times this is a notifiable job therefore someone "should" notify it!