Part P to inspect

Daveash123 · Oct 21, 2013

I had a call from a cousin regarding helping out with some electrical problems. She has applied to her council for a loan / grant for work on her cottage and they have sent someone out to do a survey. The paperwork they left states that they will need a EICR to prove the installation is ok, but also states that this is to be carried out by a "government scheme approved" part P contractor. I am prepared to carry out the EICR and any remedial work but I am not in any scheme as I am employed full time and don't do domestics that much. I was under the impression that any competent person can carry out an EICR. I am suitably qualified with nearly 30 years in the game, JIB technician and 2391. Could the council reject a certificate from me??

Andy78 · Oct 21, 2013

If they don't accept one from you they will have a job on justifying why. Give them a ring and explain you are more qualified than a lot of "government approved competent persons" to perform an EICR.

Just watch out for any remedials that require notification though.

GMES · Oct 21, 2013

Andy is right no need for part p scam to carry out an EICR if you have your 2391 then I would say you are qualified to carry out said task.

Daveash123 · Oct 21, 2013

Thanks for the replies, I had a quick look on Saturday and the remedials will be to correct work carried out by the previous owners. It will be a maintenance exercise, replacing faulty accessories and re-terminating downlights correctly. I will also need a hank of sleeving as the previous spark seems to have ran out. I will not be installing any new circuits or relocating any accessories.

telectrix · Oct 21, 2013

you're good to go, then. no notifiable work, so no need to be in a scam or involve BC.

GLENNSPARK · Oct 21, 2013

dont forget that your public liability will most probably have to be for £5,000,000....as its local authority work...
i may be wrong like but...

Des 56 · Oct 21, 2013

The chances are,you may carry out the Eicr,but when the grant is issued she will be given a list of builders approved by the council,those builders will generally have their own sub contract sparks
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ipf · Oct 21, 2013

Check with them first. It sounds like a council requirement for the EICR and, as such, they may insist on it before awarding the grant. Council's have their own rules.

telectrix · Oct 22, 2013

a council once designed a horse. the result was a camel.

ian.settle1 · Oct 22, 2013

Des 56 said:
The chances are,you may carry out the Eicr,but when the grant is issued she will be given a list of builders approved by the council,those builders will generally have their own sub contract sparks
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If it is not a council house I can't see what legal right the council have to say what builders or sparks may carry out the work.

ipf · Oct 22, 2013

ian.settle1 said:
If it is not a council house I can't see what legal right the council have to say what builders or sparks may carry out the work.

If the council are providing the grant.....it's done their way.

ipf · Oct 22, 2013

telectrix said:
a council once designed a horse. the result was a camel.

Aye, put together to the council's spec. by those designated. Stupid, maybe, but that's the way it is, if they pay for it.

Badged01 · Oct 22, 2013

Daveash123 said:
this is to be carried out by a "government scheme approved" part P contractor.

Having been down this path before I think you will find that although you can do the EICR based around your competency, the council will not recognise it and hence wont give the funding. Outcome, delayed money release for the cottage once a Part 'P' contractor has been used! If you havent done it already speak to the council but I'll bet the 'person' answering the call will have the same script and not recognise you.

Ive also come across the same on commercial properties where the insurance will only accept EICRs completed by those registered with NICEIC!

Bit like the pub landlord, "management reserve the right to refuse entry"!

Daveash123 · Oct 22, 2013

Thanks for the advice, I will call them tomorrow

GLENNSPARK · Oct 22, 2013

telectrix said:
a council once designed a horse. the result was a camel.

one hump or two?

skippy2 · Oct 22, 2013

Three usually!

Daveash123 · Nov 13, 2013

Just an update, my cousin was persuaded to avoid the council grant, apparently they end up with rights over your property, so I was tasked with making the place safe. These photos are typical of my findings. I spent last weekend replacing damaged and re terminating accessories, replacing flex with 3 core + E and sorting out multiple jb`s. I will be testing this weekend and repairing anything else I find. I don't usually work on domestic and cant believe that someone could install to this poor standard

PEG · Nov 13, 2013

Good pictures and good luck with finding ALL the dodges...I should really start recording some of my joy filled findings including,this week,a pensioner who had a FCU fitted for a boiler by a scheme spark and asked him to sort her standard lamp and display lighting on some cabinets. He had put 3 pairs of bell wires into a plug top to power the three,rewireable fuses,no RCD,cables laid the length of the lounge under carpet and over the grippers.:death:

Welchyboy1 · Nov 14, 2013

Daveash123 said:
Just an update, my cousin was persuaded to avoid the council grant, apparently they end up with rights over your property, so I was tasked with making the place safe. These photos are typical of my findings. I spent last weekend replacing damaged and re terminating accessories, replacing flex with 3 core + E and sorting out multiple jb`s. I will be testing this weekend and repairing anything else I find. I don't usually work on domestic and cant believe that someone could install to this poor standardView attachment 21426 View attachment 21427 View attachment 21428 View attachment 21429 View attachment 21430

^^^^Yep, thats about a typical day for me on the average domestic property