Part P

[DurhamSparky]

Just to sum it up


Part P is a building Regulation that is statutory and which must be followed when carrying out electrical work in domestic property.

Part P is NOT a qualification and any body going around saying they are Part P qualified and have a certificate are talking Bull....!! You DO NOT need to do a 2 week VRQ course
Electrical Course | Part P Electricial Course like this one with a training scheme to register as a Competent Person.

YOU NEED TO BE COMPETENT....!! this can be achieved by undertaking formal Electrical Quals at a college or by a training provider...!!

You do however need to know about the building Regs and Part P....!! you can download Approved Document P from the planning portal website.

The following schemes are the most popular with domestic sparks. Elecsa, Niceic and Napit. Upon registration with them you will be required to conduct a formal technical site assessment that will involve you changing or modifying the electrical set up drastically (Rewire/ Cu Change)

If you pass the assessment you are then freely allowed to carry out work in areas designated by building control that fall under the Part P umbrella http://www.partp.co.uk/downloads/public/CLGbuildingworkleaflet.pdf and any work that you carry out can be notified and signed off through them (the schemes) at a small cost (£2-4) and they will inform LABC for you.

If you decide not to register with a Part P scheme. be preared that notification of work to LABC can cost hundreds of pounds and drastically increase your price. They will also expect you to still carry out the tests and paperwork before they arrive to SIGN IT OFF


Recommended courses to do are:

A formal Technical Certificate that is achieved at Level 3 on the NQF (National Qualification Framework) i.e

C&G 2330 or BTEC Advanced/National Diploma.... This gives you the Underpinning Knowledge to build on. (achieved via college or distance learning 18months - 24months is time scale)

You will also Need 17th Edition Wiring Regulations C&G 2382 (if you dont have this you wont get any where in the trade.)

NVQ 3 2356 (its a Craft Certificate that although not needed is very desirable and normally achieved when doing an Apprenticeship but now freely available to "Bolt on" to your current Qualifications via distant learning.

C&G 2391 the ultimate qualification in the electrical world..! Inspection and Testing only to be achieved with considerable site and technical knowledge, closed book exam with a 30-40% pass rate.

C&G 2392 (lesser qualification of the 2391 and aimed at new sparks with little knowledge of inspection and testing, normally used as a starter course to grasp the fundamentals of what's required)

Signing off your work..!!!

you DO NOT need 2391 to sign of your work but you will be expected to have knowledge of inspection and testing to an achievable standard required to carry out and fill in the test results.
You also do not Need 2391 to carry out PIR's but should any thing happen and you go to court the 2391 certificate is your lifeline to prove competence in the field.



hope this helps...

comments and alterations welcome

 

[MAITLAND.JARED]

Another time I was asked to sort a fault in a tenants house, the RCD was tripping every now and again but quite often, so traced the fault to a leg crossing the landing, lifted the floor boards and spotted a dead mouse and a 2.5 cable with the insulation nibbled down to the conductors, exposing all three.

 

[Paul.M]

Another time I was asked to sort a fault in a tenants house, the RCD was tripping every now and again but quite often, so traced the fault to a leg crossing the landing, lifted the floor boards and spotted a dead mouse and a 2.5 cable with the insulation nibbled down to the conductors, exposing all three.

The mouse can't have done the part p exam or that wouldn't have happened

 

[mattmoo1974]

They hide your building regs Cert in part P(the only online part of the course).
I did this course because i had very little site experience.Aong side my 2330. Iv retrained after losing my job on the railway. First day i started i was told to do domestic work i needed 17th 2330 level 2 part P(aka building Regs). So it isnt a Qual and is. As faras im aware you ve got to have your building regs cert along with various Quals (2330)(17th)
I agree thaJoe blogs should nt be able to just do this and think he can do rewires,But in fairness its a nice taster if you were thinking of training to be a spark. And does teach you more things relevent to site work. As i say i did this along side my 2330 and because of that i found 2330 much easyer. Im not sticking up for dodgey part P sparkys.
But the course deffo was helpfull to me. Some people will choose to abuse the part P.

 

[HEC]

Hi
I am of the opinion that any course is better than no course. I am a domestic electrician for a numberof years and lecture at college on the subject. Over the years I have seen some horendous jobs from so called experienced sparkies. It is a bit like driving a car, the more we drive the more complacent we become and class ourselves as the best drivers because we are always doing it. Not so. I believe in refresher training and that we all should have it. Simply because we develope bad habits. I have seen this in real life and in numerous electrical jobs where a suposedly qualified sparky has undertaken previous installations. (The housholder usually uses the phrase, Eee well he said he was qualified or produces the installation certificate which includes a cooker circuit which has never ever been installed in the property) Mmmmm? seen it all. My opinion, any qualification is better than No qualification at all.
Cheers Hec

 

[toto]

Just registered and found this very helpful in understanding qualifications required and how part B fits in to the overal scheme of things.
As an unqualified electrician i do any non notifiable work on my own renovations and am 'currently' trying to understand electrics and this is helpful. Thanks

 

[madmac]

Part p!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The industry is ******!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[DurhamSparky]

howay man language!!

 

[geordie]

Ok so from reading this I take it i am wasting my time and money doing | Electrical Training Course should just go ahead and do City & Guilds 2382 then do a couple of jobs give the niceic a lump of hard earned cash pass there assement and job done.

 

[nickblake]

you dont have to be nic you have elecsa and napit but start from the bottom and work up the more experiance the better spark you'll make

 

[DurhamSparky]

i suggest doing the courses is you want to get the feel for it!!

 

[tonys]

Ok so from reading this I take it i am wasting my time and money doing | Electrical Training Course should just go ahead and do City & Guilds 2382 then do a couple of jobs give the niceic a lump of hard earned cash pass there assement and job done.

Why not, because for the part p domestic installer status what ever scheme you wish to join, they won't question you on regulations, the inspectors are told not to.

Each scheme fully understand your money is good and and anyone of the schemes will snap you up, so they get in first and another punter in the bag "so to speak"

 

[geordie]

I am already halfway though the city & guilds 2330 level 2

 

[tonys]

I am already halfway though the city & guilds 2330 level 2

As far as it goes, you only need the 17th Edition to join a scheme for part p and unless get level 2330/3 with an NVQ3 your struggle to be recognized as a Qualified Electrician in the bigger scheme of things.

 

[lauriehurman]

Part P and the domestic installer.

Well in my opinion understanding the "system" required to be allowed to legally do domestic installations without being an employee of an electrical contractor is far more difficult than any electrical theory.

I understand - now - that Part P is a "procedure" and not a qualification. I understand that in order to be paid for doing electrical work in a domestic house I need C&G 2382 (17th wiring regs), and I need C&G 2392 (testing & inspection) in order to "supervise" my own work.

The commercial training organisations (who's adverts pay for this site) will "sell" me those qualifications in as little as 17 days. Are they exploiting me? Well only in the same way that I am exploiting the householder who isn't allowed to do DIY rewiring.

Where the training organisations are being cagey is that they don't advertise the fact that this is just the first step in a longer process. If I understand it correctly I have to be a member of one of the (five?) trade organisations in order for my work to be legal just on my say-so. In order to join one of these organisations I have to have two jobs which they can inspect. I'm not yet clear how I do those two jobs and what their legal status is but the local authority building control seems to come into it (i'm sure I shall find out if I keep working at it).

From my time reading this site and finding out this information there seems to be resentment from those who have been in the trade from the days when you sat in college for years and learned everything about electrical services. That's understandable, but I can also see it from the other side of the fence. The householder used to have to pay the wages of someone who was qualified to fit out a factory from scratch. Now they have to pay the wages of someone who has learned to do domestic installations. From the point of view of the customer that's a fairer system, they are paying for what they want not what they were forced to have in the past.

Times are hard and there are a lot of people reading this who are looking for a way to get back into paid work. Many people like me who are too old to be offered an apprenticeship or training position. We are on the scrapheap. We have a choice; we can watch daytime TV and live on benefits or we can fight back. Domestic installation is a possible future for us. Of course "proper" qualified electricians resent us taking food out of their mouths, who wouldn't? I think that it's no different to the hordes of immigrants who own nothing but a rice bowl and who see our two cars and a flat screen TV and want to come here and share our future. Can you blame them? Would you do the same in their position? I would. In fact I am. If self-employment is the only employment I can get then so be it, I'll become a domestic installer.

Sorry, this started out as a question about the next step after the training schemes and turned into a philosophical daydream.
Laurie

 

[madmac]

You are an employers dream. You'll under cut any qualified spark, you'll do anything for a wage, you've also admitted that people who do these watered down courses are not the complete electrician! This is what the right wing/Tory elite have been trying to achieve for years......breaking the controls of employment the electricians and their union had and bring the "free market" into the fold! Safety will be compromised due to job pressures and so will quality of workmanship.