Part P

[Guest77]

It is a Building regulation, thats right a Building regulation, not a Electrical qualification. If you read it (you can download it on-line) then you will see that some works, and only some as it is getting less now needs to be notified to the local building control. Now there is nothing to suggest an Electrician need notify the local building control authority, nothing at all anywhere, this is a myth, and a myth we are all getting fed up with. The customer is duty bound to do this just like if they decided to have a loft conversion or indeed a extension on their home. To be competitive some electricians join a scheme so they can notify for the customer on their behalf and the fees are usually a couple of quid instead of the 2-300 the local authority would charge the customer if an Electrician didn't do it for them, this way the customer gets to save some money and the Electrician wins work. The schemes have a policy which they suggest if they get people to join them they will guarentee to the local authority the people they approve are competant, for this privilage they take 400-500 off these people, usually Electricians, but some Plumbers and Kitchen Fitters join as well, The local authority building control then accepts the fact the people on these schemes are competant and do not go out to site to inspect the works, this is why the cost is just an administrative one at a few quid and not hundreds. If you are a competant Electrician for example with a Gold card and plenty of experience why do you need to pay a scheme hundreds of pounds a year to have them tell the Local authority you are competant? If you are Competant then get stuck in and start work. If the work you do does need to be notified then you can ask the customer to do it or include an extra couple of hundred on top of your quote for you to do it. There is no judge in the whole of the UK who will find you guilty of anything wrong doing if you carry out work to BS7671 correctly without being a member of a scheme, we don't need them do we? so why are we paying them 500 a year? I can confirm I no longer pay them, I have left the NICEIC, I am competant, I have over 30 years experience, I will not give them 500 quid to tell someone else I am competant.


Please do not keep going on about being part p qualified, it is all Rollocks, rant over.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

You're wasting your time Glenn, too many sheep around.

looks that way...i`m afraid..

 

[Guest111]

It's all a load of cobblers,we all saw that garbage done by a so called "professional registered electrician" posted on here the other week! Now I was with Glenn when he tackled the NI guy about it at Elex and he just got nowhere.Now Glenn does go at things like a bull at a gate,I know he won't mind me saying that so I tried being as I can be very diplomatic when I want and all I got was a load of rubbish about how they'd only act if the customer complains and refusing to answer questions due to the data protection act!Which incidentally doesn't apply to what I was asking.It's a load of rubbish, nothing has been thought through properly and the whole thing is just a way of separating electricians from their hard earned cash.Incidentally from August the 1st 2014 it will be an offence for any electrician to carry out any work without being registered with me under the new INMC ruling all members must be deemed competent and have appropriate test gear (neon screwdriver and voltstick) send your cheques now guys and beat the rush.
What do you think guys,could I be onto a nice little earner here?lol



INMC=i need more cash

 

[stevethesparks]

Incidentally from August the 1st 2014 it will be an offence for any electrician to carry out any work without being registered with me under the new INMC ruling all members must be deemed competent and have appropriate test gear (neon screwdriver and voltstick) send your cheques now guys and beat the rush.

Can you advise of the address to send my cheque to, and will I get a nice sticker to put on my vehicle?

 

[UNG]

Can you advise of the address to send my cheque to, and will I get a nice sticker to put on my vehicle?

You might get a nice sucker to attach to your vehicle

 

[telectrix]

who wants to join my new scam? Northern Independent Competent Electrical Installation Contractors. (NICEIC for short). Please make cheques payable to Campaign Against Segregated Horsesh!t ( CASH for short)

 

[Geordie Spark]

Gavin you just talked a hell of a lot of sense. A lot of that is exactly what I want to see but (and it's a huge but) the scams will not allow that to happen because it's killing the goose that lays the golden egg/ the gift that just keeps giving.
That's why I and many others want to see them out of the equation because all they're interested in is their salary and pension schemes. They don't give a flying fig about what they are supposed to do and claim to be doing. Driving up standards.
I'll respond point by point in the morning because just now I've had a few and I'm watching Biffy Clyro from T in the Park (fantastic btw) and I'd probably struggle to be coherent

A Geordie struggling to be coherent???

That'll be a first!!

 

[telectrix]

there is a difference between coherent and gobby.

 

[Geordie Spark]

there is a difference between coherent and gobby.

Of course there is Tel - a Geordie is coherent and a Scouser is just gobby.

 

[tidyboiler]

Of course there is Tel - a Geordie is coherent and a Scouser is just gobby.

Whereas a Staffie is just...................... :dita:

 

[telectrix]

staffie?

 

[Geordie Spark]

staffie?

View attachment 25548

NOT Staffie dog Tel ........... She means Staffie Pikey. Not very tall with short nose & broad ... hindquarters.

 

[tidyboiler]

NOT Staffie dog Tel ........... She means Staffie Pikey. Not very tall with short nose & broad ... hindquarters.

Erm.................. you know what I promised you Monday night....................... well.............. :dita:



edited to add "you can make your own dinner now"

 

[Geordie Spark]

Erm.................. you know what I promised you Monday night....................... well.............. :dita:



edited to add "you can make your own dinner now"

Awww ............ Buggeritt!!

 

[edrobbo8]

MDJ,

You are bang on. I was with ELECSA until last March (2013), when my renewal came up I wasn't doing a lot of domestic jobs, they kept calling me for payment and to organise an assessment date. I told them to look at my history of notifications, and there weren't many over the 2 previous years, and since I refused to renew my membership, I have done dozens of jobs where Building Control (Gloucester, Cheltenham and Cotswolds) have been involved with the building works, and not once has one of the many inspectors asked am I Part P registered! They have all said the same - as long as the work is done to 17th standards and cables are run in safe zones etc (which they can normally see as they appear at different stages of building work) then complete an EIC and they are happy. In fact, as long as there is an extractor fan in every bathroom and plenty of smoke alarms they seem to be happy!

The scams are just that - a scam. I haven't had a customer ask me if I am Part P registered since 2011, when that customer happened to work in local government.

Crack on and get the jobs done safely, quickly and to a good standard to keep up your good reputation!!!

 

[telectrix]

Hello, fellow sparkies. I’m a fully qualified electrician having done a 5 week course , got my Part P and everything. Got my NICEIC domestic installer inspection in 2 weeks. Going to rewire my parents house for the inspector to see. It’s a prefab, all concrete, built about 1950 and is wired in that awful round copper covered cable that fits into the boxes with brass nuts. It’s all 2 core cable, so there’s no earth. I’m going to do it all in stickyback plastic trunking, should only take me about a week. The niceic want a small job as well, so I plan to fit a circuit for washing machine and tumble dryer in the only place in my small flat where they will fit. The bathroom. As the floor is tiled, I can’t get to the socket cables, so I plan to come from the bathroom light in the attic, down the corner of the bathroom in trunking, under the bath, and fit a double socket under the bath where the taps are. I’ve looked up in the regulations, and that’s OK because you need a screwdriver to get the panel off. Also it makes the plumbing easy, straight from the tap pipes. And, because there’s no earth on the lighting, I can fix a wire from the earth of the socket to the cold water pipe. One thing I could not understand from the course is why I need to use thick cable on showers and cookers. Is it something to do with the bigger cable allowing the amps to flow faster, like bigger water pipes allow faster water flowing?