PIR codes

[devlin maguire]

Thes codes are a complete waste of time they are open to imterpretation by who ever is testing, if you give a PIR to a client and tell them the codes indicate whats needed,how the hell can he tell whats important, the only people remotely interested is your yearly assesor. I mean, come on almost every installation will have a 4 you can apply that to any thing you like from a cracked face plate to a rewireable with a piece of coat hanger between the termnial screws and page 2 is often not big enough
A seperated printed report in plain english lets the customer know whats needed and at the end of the day thats what the ESC is all about
DM

 

[RexT]

Hi Devlin,

Yes I agree that plain english is the best and the codes used as you rightly say are always open to interpretation.

Personally I always carefully explain so the customer fully understands and has the option what to do next.

Best wishes,

Rex

 

[confused-fuse]

thanks for that rexT will give it tutor to chew over ... see what he says ...

 

[NoSparks]

The original list looks to me like a 16th edition list anyway.

But I would pick up on one
"CPC used as a live conductor (sometimes found in C/H systems and 2 way lighting)"
if the cpc is sleeved as live (ie brown sleve) and their is an alternative cpc or the equipment is class II then what is the problem. I am thinking particularly of boiler installations where two three core cables are used instead of a single 5 core, and a sleeved cpc is used as a switch live.

 

[mogga]

CPC in TW&E should never be used as a Live conductor as then there is NO CPC and if cut in the middle then there is no sleeving

If you mean on flex to things like PIRs and Boiler stats ect thats not as bad as cpc is insulated throughout but its still Shoddy work

 

[NoSparks]

Agree on T&E but regs specifically say cable should be marked at both ends and "preferably" throughout its length

 

[mogga]

Iv just had a keek @ NIC site certs there is a cert " NICEIC - approving excellence " Danger notification I asume you could use this for porposes above???

 

[Charles West]

I went to the IET presentation yesterday about the first amendment. Brace yourselves for the new 'Condition Report' to replace the PIR. It has its own Schedule of Inspections / Tests which look much more detailed, but they've ditched the Code 4 'does not comply but don't worry'. Google 'IET wiring regulations 2008 amendment' to have a look at the draft which includes other stuff like the new special location. Get ready with your sterilised meter probes!

 

[elecducation]

The new condition report is attached to an earlier posting by me on this thread

 

[NoSparks]

The new condition report is attached to an earlier posting by me on this thread

Somebody has not read the copyright. But the reference is very usefull.

 

[jambo]

PIR Recomendation codes sheet worth printing out and sticking in your T&I kit

the list certainly is different from the Electrical Safety council Periodic Inspection Reporting Best Practice Guide.
Their code is recomended as unsatisfactory.

 

[Calum]

Green Sleaving on cpc insteed of green and yellow [ Harsh ] What about no sleaving at all on cpc.

 

[semaphore]

Hi RexT

Code 2
19. Anyone circuit has an insulation resistance of less than 20 kilo ohms?
I take it this is a typo?
230/20,000 = 11.5mA
I think I'd call it a code 1 and disconnect it.
Or are we talking about Neutral to Earth?

I tend to agree with Devlin

 

[robsparky1975]

Code 2 for labels?yep sounds like the tutor may be a bit out of touch,code 1 & 2s normally stick out like a sore thumb

 

[Johno]

I wish I would have got a nice office job when I left school, all thiis stuff does my head in!