PIR codes

[RexT]

Hi Semaphore,

Thanks, Yes possibly, I think I got the info from the NICEIC inspection and testing book which is very good for getting to grips with testing.
Though I think that the main point is that it has to have sufficent resistance and I guess that has always to be in keeping with the regulations BS7671.
Thanks again,

Best wishes

Rex

 

[juston]

some of them seem very odd, but would recamend the niceic book on domestic periodic inspection testing and reporting (updated to 17th edition) very good on codes infact spot on

 

[sparky200]

If you undertake a PIR in a domestic property and identify a shower circuit does not have a 30mA RCD on it but is cross bonded what code would you give this?

 

[TPES]

If you undertake a PIR in a domestic property and identify a shower circuit does not have a 30mA RCD on it but is cross bonded what code would you give this?

Code 4 i would of thought..

 

[TPES]

Your oppinion on coding these please.. (16th ed Split load CU)

Grid plate in kitchen, Has "washing machine" & "Boiler" behind the grid plate is 2 different circuits, The washing machine is on the RFC, and is RCD protected, also behind the grid id the boiler circuit which is not RCD protected (On main switch side).. Is this worthy of a code?

In the kitchen is a FCU with the label "Cooker" on it, The feed into this is off the RFC, the load side out is in 1.0mm but can not trace where it is going too... Code 3 ????

Above the cooker up high level in the kitchen is a single blank plate, Behind is a 1.0mm t&e in a connector block, Although every circuit is on and switches in the kitchen switched on i cant seem to liven this t&e at all.. Worthy of a code..?

Also on the outside wall is a extractor fan grill, but in the kitchen opposite the grill is no fan! if you tap the wall it feels hollow, as if there was a fan but has now been boarded over.. But surely there will have been a feed there at some point for a fan... But can see any isolator in the kitchen for any type of extractor fan.. Is this worth mentioning on the report?


Last one...

There was an old garage feed that has now been dissconected out of the CU, no MCB, no label, No signs of there ever being a feed for a detached garage.
but there is an SWA on the outside of the house with the lid off the IP box with conductors showing at one end, and on the garage there is the other end of SWA terminated in an IP box with the lid on but it is not fixed correctly to the wall... Is this worth mentioning or if a cable is dissconnected at both ends and not in service do you just ignore it?

Some of these maybe simple to some of you, I dont pretend to know it all and im always learning, especially when it comes to PIR coding.. I will be getting more and more periodics to do so i want to be sure on my coding and i know this is the place to come for advice...

 

[Derrick]

What code would you give an installation with old circuit breakers rated to 3000A and PFC is 3400?????

 

[morph]

What code would you give an installation with old circuit breakers rated to 3000A and PFC is 3400?????

depends on the suppliers protective device

 

[TPES]

depends on the suppliers protective device

Meaning if it's BS1361 16.5 or 33 then it doesn't matter on the breaking of the protective device???

 

[AllertonEPS]

The PDF that Steve has sourced is the ESC version 2a - and is the same version as on their website. It blabbers on about sockets likely to be powering outdoor equipment. I wish the ESC ( or a another ) would issue a more recent version that addresses the issues TODAY. For Example is the lack of an RCD on the lighting circuit a Code 1 , Code 2 , Code 3 or Code 4. Please help ...

 

[AllertonEPS]

The PDF that Steve has sourced is the ESC version 2a - and is the same version as on their website. It blabbers on about sockets likely to be powering outdoor equipment. I wish the ESC ( or a another ) would issue a more recent version that addresses the issues TODAY. For Example is the lack of an RCD on the lighting circuit a Code 1 , Code 2 , Code 3 or Code 4. Please help ...

 

[Johno]

Code 4

 

[Guest123]

The PDF that Steve has sourced is the ESC version 2a - and is the same version as on their website. It blabbers on about sockets likely to be powering outdoor equipment. I wish the ESC ( or a another ) would issue a more recent version that addresses the issues TODAY. For Example is the lack of an RCD on the lighting circuit a Code 1 , Code 2 , Code 3 or Code 4. Please help ...

You as someone who carries out PI reporting, need to think about why you think a 'lighting circuit' needs or doesn't need RCD protection. what is it about the circuit that you think needs or doesn't need RCD protection, what regs (if any) are involved etc.

 

[AllertonEPS]

That's why I'm asking the question - It is not my opinion that counts - it is the Regs opinion - I can have a personal opinion but when that opinion has a huge financial impact - it is not appropriate to have a personal opinion - the opinion has to be a universal opinion - hence my addition to this thread.

So your comment about questioning my knowledge is not appropriate - I just need a little guidance as to what others consider appropriate Codes for Lighting circuits without RCD protection. Maybe the penny hasn't dropped with me - but it is obviously a Code 4 issue, but was just wondering whether it should be any higher.

 

[Guest123]

I wasn't questioning your knowledge, just trying to stimulate thoughts about why a particular circuit may or may not need additional protection via an RCD. All PIR's are one persons personal interpretation of the regs, 2 people would not produce the same report on the same installation.

 

[Deleted member 9648]

That's why I'm asking the question - It is not my opinion that counts - it is the Regs opinion - I can have a personal opinion but when that opinion has a huge financial impact - it is not appropriate to have a personal opinion - the opinion has to be a universal opinion - hence my addition to this thread.

So your comment about questioning my knowledge is not appropriate - I just need a little guidance as to what others consider appropriate Codes for Lighting circuits without RCD protection. Maybe the penny hasn't dropped with me - but it is obviously a Code 4 issue, but was just wondering whether it should be any higher.

A lighting circuit may need RCD protection if it is part of a TT system,has cables buried at <50mm...or is in a special location.....the code applicable would depend on which of those requirements was not met....there are plenty of lighting circuits which do not require any RCD protection....so I cant see how such a general question can be relevant.