poor workmanship

[Alan Mutlow]

Hi everyone,

I have viewed a job recently where the customer was concerned about the quality of the electrical work. It was a complete rewire and new extension. In investigating the job I found a lot of junction boxes throughout with no identification to line or neutral, I found no earth bond but property is supplied by plastic and is plastic near enough throughout. An electrical installtion certificate has been issued by the company responsible. Would loke to know if anyone has come across this situation or what others would do about it, cheers

 

[Guest112]

What does the customer want doing?

 

[Alan Mutlow]

Advice to begin with

 

[Octopus]

Why do you need to identify line and neutral in junction boxes? Surely the cable colours do that, or am I missing something

 

[Alan Mutlow]

Blue used as switch wires, grey from 3 core as neutral etc.

 

[urbanmonkey]

Not alot of point bonding the plastic, bonding any copper parts in between plastic sections could introduce a potential to the copper sections in fault conditions, as for the non identification of L+N, have they not used cables with the correct colours or are you referring to switch wires not marked? I would have a look in the back of a couple of sockets, see how well they are terminated maybe see how tidy the board is and go from there, doesn't sound like anything dangerous but laziness breeds sloppiness and there could be faults waiting to rear their head

 

[Guest112]

So just identify the conductors as needed perform test to ensure safety of work, apply knowledge of regulations to what is installed and off you go...

 

[Alan Mutlow]

I think I will suggest a full test and inspect through each circuit and rectify any errors as they arrise.

 

[Octopus]

Blue used as switch wires, grey from 3 core as neutral etc.

hardly life threatening. Sure rubbish workmanship.

 

[urbanmonkey]

Probably fairer to the customer financially to do a sample first on the obvious areas and then follow on to a full EICR and remedial works IF necessary, you have the EIC so it isn't too much of a stretch to test a couple of circuits and compare results along with some visuals, checking security of terminations etc.

 

[trev]

Did you test to any of the metal parts to see if bonding as necessary?
I think recommending a full EICR is overkill, to me it smacks of a knee jerk reaction at best. At worst, well let's not go there eh?
If the biggest problems on this job are no bonding required and a bit of missed sleeving then you're making mountains out of molehills.
Is it sloppy? Yes, very. Is it dangerous? No

 

[Guest55]

Advice to begin with

advise them to get an electrician in :-D

sorry , couldnt resist lol.

 

[trev]

sorry , couldnt resist lol.

An apology, from you? You're getting soft mate

 

[Guest55]

You're getting soft mate

you wanna test that theory in a darkened alley alone ?

;-)

 

[Marvo]

Jeez, I'll put the pair of you in different corners of the class if you can't behave.