Poorly designed wall lights

[goasis]

Does anyone else find that more often than not, no consideration seems to be given in wall light fittings for allowing two cables to fit in properly? Been fitting some led bulkhead type fittings and you'd barely get one t&e into the cable entry let alone the 2 x 3core cables required (emg fittings). 'fancy' bathroom wall lights are often even worse, when they come with those tiny terminal block connectors and rubber sleeve bits!! Frustratingly poor design in my opinion. Grumble over.

 

[Octopus]

This is so common . ... in fact I doubt that many light fitting designers have EVER actually fitted lights ... least of all with the loop at the light!

 

[Rpa07]

Certainly no one talks to an electrical fitter when designing most ‘affordable’ luminaires these days.
It does keep us thinking though!

 

[Pete999]

Does anyone else find that more often than not, no consideration seems to be given in wall light fittings for allowing two cables to fit in properly? Been fitting some led bulkhead type fittings and you'd barely get one t&e into the cable entry let alone the 2 x 3core cables required (emg fittings). 'fancy' bathroom wall lights are often even worse, when they come with those tiny terminal block connectors and rubber sleeve bits!! Frustratingly poor design in my opinion. Grumble over.

Maybe more consideration should be given to how you install the wiring prior to 2nd fixing, a little more consultation with the customer as to what fittings they intend as the finished article, hard hat well and truly on and chin strap fitted.

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

Had some on an extension recently, in the end i got so p**sed off trying to fit the wires in, especially in this heat, that I ended up putting a small junction box up in the roof and fed the flex out under the tiles and down the wall before the fascia was put up.
Ideally they would have decided to have them before the work was finished, then I could have had the wires put in at first fix ready for them. nothing worse than a customer who either keeps changing there mind or doesnt know what they want.

 

[Andy78]

Every domestic light fitting I have ever fitted has been a pain in the hoop. They are designed by diabolical chimps that clearly hate us.

 

[Squid]

You design the installation to cater for the fitting, the fitting is fine its your design/implementation that is at fault. You older sparks need to get out of your comfort zone and move with the times, trimless fittings anyone ;o)))))))

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

That s hook with IKEA light fittings is not for supporting the light whilst attempting to fit the light... its meant so electricians can hang them selves through frustration at the lack of space for cables in the base of there lights!

 

[littlespark]

I've just refused to install under cabinet fittings a customer got from Screwfix. (The metal wedge shaped ones, brand name rhymes with cr**)
The are 230v LED, which is fine, but the supply cable fitted is only a 2 core. The label says its double insulated, but its not. There's a little rocker on-off switch on the side.. If the live cable drops out the connection somehow, its going to touch the extraneous conductive part.
I told him to send them back.

 

[telectrix]

If the live cable drops out the connection somehow, its going to touch the extraneous EXPOSEDconductive part.
I told him to send them back.
corrected that for you.

 

[The Ghost]

I usually put a small architrave box in the wall and do all the tricky stuff in that then connect. Saying that, I do agree with you, wall lights and some pendants have got much worse in quality/design over the years.

 

[Dave OCD]

This is why it's a good idea to loop feeds through switches on new work.

 

[goasis]

This is why it's a good idea to loop feeds through switches on new work.

Always do, doesn't help with linking from one light to the next though!!

 

[Cadgey123]

This is why it's a good idea to loop feeds through switches on new work.

Even still... try and get two 1.5mm2 T&Es into these terminals, no chance.

Astro lighting have very nice lighting products, but they must employ dwarfs to wire them up and test them.

 

[cliffed]

Even still... try and get two 1.5mm2 T&Es into these terminals, no chance.

Astro lighting have very nice lighting products, but they must employ dwarfs to wire them up and test them.

Agree,I usually take the connectors out & fit wago’s.
No chance of connecting 1.5mm.