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I have a customer who has questioned/insulted my price on completion of work plus extras.

Basically I was asked to wire an electric shower, it's for a rental upstairs flat, I suggested they add a smoke and heat detector in, the board was old bs3036 and I suggested instead of spending on an RCD protected shower board that they go for a new AMD3 board. Hager board with 7 circuits. X1m of 3 colours of 16mm tails.

Escos x3 there already,

Run for shower was almost 20m of 10mm2 T&E, Smoke run was about 17.5m.
2 lengths of 38x19 sticky back trunking used.
Also a cooker connection plate and a pvc surface box.



Extras on the job were as follows:-

Client decided to get new kitchen fitted and required cooker switch and double socket to be moved 1 metre to the left and joiner boarded the wall,
so 1x1g and 1x2g dry liners used though wall had to be tracked to allow them to fit, they supplied the socket face i supplied the cooker switch, also replaced another socket face they supplied, and a water heater switch i supplied,

supplied 1x pvc surface box to replace a dry liner that was sitting surface but unfixed to wall, and reconnected single socket.

put plug top on a fridge,

Connected oven and hob, oven flexed, hob needed 1.5m of 6.0mm t&e

Fitted 5 lights supplied by customer, plus supply 4x Bell GU10 5w lamps,

I had quoted £575-600 originally to his girlfriend and she was happy and as the cooker connection plate was done and 4 of the lights were requested I was looking to go with £600, and out of that £600 I was going to be paying £120 for an eicr for them due to it being a rental, being done by a 3rd party.

I asked for £150 for the rest of the extras, which I thought was pretty cheap.
So £750 total was asked for this evening.

On completion the client tried to say I had quoted them £275 for the original work, of the shower, smokes and consumer unit replacement, I was literally gobsmacked and they said they were thinking it would be about £450 total with the extras.

The guy literally has stated that he wants me to break down everything I did, and he will pay me a fair wage, but that he's not going to have the wool pulled over his eyes.

Though I'm starting to feel I've been set up the more I think about it.


Not sure how to proceed with this, my initial thoughts was just to say look I'll drop to £630 for everything but no eicr. As I won't need to pay that £120 out. Second thought is to just do small claims court.

However I think he's expecting me to break down all materials and labour etc and by sounds of his fair wage comments he's gonna try and reduce my labour to nothing.

Really disgusted to be honest and apologies for the long drawn out post but can't sleep as it's annoyed me that much, any advice & prices from others would be helpful, especially @Risteard if you don't mind, being in NI and able to do eicr directly I'd be interested in know your approx price and to see if I was too expensive or not.

Job layout, Consumer unit at front door, trunking up staircase to loft and through loft to bathroom at far end and shower mounted on stud wall, smoke alarm in small hall just outside bathroom and heat detector along the way between kitchen and living area.
 
I'm not an expert but I was totting it up in my head as I read through and came to £750 as a conservative figure. So yes he's trying to pull a fast one, but some payment is better than none so sometimes you have to just get as much as you can and leave it behind.
 
Sorry Phil for the delay getting back to you as have been working nights, but sounds like the best part of a grand's worth of work to me. You definitely haven't overcharged.
 
Thanks Risteard, got sorted and 3 apologies lol

@bigspark17 the eicr was being done by a 3rd party for the entire flat as it's going to be a rental and had sat empty for a time before the current owners bought it at auction along with 2 commercial premises below and beside it.
 
Unless its diferent in NI, you dont need to do 2395 to be able to do eicr just competant & have correct insurance in place.
You should be doing an eicr pre doing all this work not after. & issuing a new EIC refrenced to the eicr for any new work. What are you doing regarding part p notification?
Do you work for yourself or is this a "on the side job"?
 
I also live in NI and I have suffered the same fate doing a lot of work for someone with several added extras that they must imagine are done for free or I magically pulled them from between my cheeks in an hour. Price is defiantly fair and extras have been done cheap for them, I'd say mark up materials quite a bit on itemized bill and if not small claims court. Do people realise that you have to make a living also
 
Unless its diferent in NI, you dont need to do 2395 to be able to do eicr just competant & have correct insurance in place.
You should be doing an eicr pre doing all this work not after. & issuing a new EIC refrenced to the eicr for any new work. What are you doing regarding part p notification?
Do you work for yourself or is this a "on the side job"?

Double checked this today and as far as I am able to ascertain via college lecturer and online, there is no LABC notification to be completed in NI.

As for the EICR, 1 would be issued, and if and codes those would be addressed and then a new eicr given with no codes on it. Or at least no C1&2 codes on it.

EIC is for new installations or new circuits only as far as I've been instructed anyways.
 
As for the EICR, 1 would be issued, and if and codes those would be addressed and then a new eicr given with no codes on it. Or at least no C1&2 codes on it.

EIC is for new installations or new circuits only as far as I've been instructed anyways.
An Electrical Installation Certificate is for any new electrical installation work. This isn't necessarily an entire electrical installation or new circuits, it can be minor works (although a Minor Electrical Installation Works Certificate might be more appropriate for a single circuit modified). I would issue an EIC for remedial works carried out presuming that multiple circuits were involved in the remedial works. I certainly wouldn't reissue an EICR with codes removed - the EICR they have will be one based on what I found at the time of the inspection. An EIC certifying remedial works should be all that is needed.
 
I will speak to the lecturer again and clarify, but he definitely stated EIC for new installations or new circuits and EICR for a board change.

As you are reporting on the condition of the installation, coding for any issues and if remedied then rectifying and reissue a clear EICR without any codes.

That was what I was also led to believe by the guy who was going to do the EICR initially, and he just does inspection & testing on a daily basis, hasn't worked the tools in years, he does it for a firm that does all the colleges in the country. Though he has pulled the use of escos between meter and CCU, stating that once the main isolator is off those are still live.

That's how he does any for the fella I used to work to before starting on my own.

But will definitely check it out further.
 
As others have said you need to issue an eic for a consumer change you can not put circuit into service if there are issues with them , so for example
There is a cable hanging out of wall with live conducters exposed, you change the consumer unit and then you have effectively made that unsafe cable live and created the danger ,
You should of done a eicr first or a least some basic inspection like check bonding ,insulation resistance , cpc continuity and any damaged accessories before you change the consumer unit
 
As you are reporting on the condition of the installation, coding for any issues and if remedied then rectifying and reissue a clear EICR without any codes.
This is where the issue is. If you have rectified an issue then you need to certify the work you have done (i.e. the remedial work). A Report is just that - a report on the condition of the installation and therefore will not certify the work that you have done and therefore is not the correct document for that.

So if I had an EICR from a periodic inspection of an installation (whether produced by me or someone else) and I was then asked to carry out the remedial works I would issue a certificate for the remedial works. I would not reissue an EICR with the codes removed. The certificate will confirm that the remedial works comply with BS7671 (and therefore show that these parts of the installation are now safe).
 

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