pub/resturant dimming advice

[Robertbaker63]

Hi

I'm Rewiring a pub/resturant complex and the owner would like to have dimmable led lighting thoughout inside

it'll be a mixture of the jcc led 7's tiltable and tracklighting with pendants with either an 8w or 11w dimmable led bulb in hovering over the tables

the'll be around 140 lights in total and all lights will be switched from behind the bar

there will also be ground uplights outside, i have pulled out a 1.5mm 2 core armoured to supply some walk over uplights leading up to the entrance ( about a 25m run) how many can i safely put on this if i use an led uplight on a 6 or 10 amp rcbo?

there will be car park lights and driveway lights, i have run a 2.5mm armoured for these, how many can i safely put on without tripping an rcbo, the first light is a run of 30m aromoured, if i were to carry on all the way to the entrance it would be an 80m run to the last light


how many should i allow on each dimmer, i'm presuming about 6-8?

should i go for one bank of 24 grid dimmers or should i go for 6 banks of 4?


many thanks, sorry about my inexperiance with led lighting, whenever i've installed in a domestic install i've stuck to 10 jcc led on a circuit max

 

[Robert Turnbull]

Rako do good dimming solutions that can be set to 4 presets.

And as many dimming circuits as your wallet allows.

Dimming packs are wireless so you save in time and cable.

 

[OWLelectrical]

used to be purely wiring pubs and clubs at one point. use a dimmer pack once they are set up they're so easy to use

 

[Fin170]

yeah i'd say control gear aren't as a good as hager etc but on a budget they beat everything else

Just pop into wilts and grab a load of samples, Bideford does better coffee than Barnstaple

 

[OWLelectrical]

tiger packs we use brilliant to use once set up

 

[High Tower]

Yea it's a tiger pack
I'm suggesting I'll post the link when I get home

 

[Robertbaker63]

Just pop into wilts and grab a load of samples, Bideford does better coffee than Barnstaple

wilts control gear stuff is horrible, its the older range stuff, i dont get chance to use bideford wilts very often i must admit though so i don't sample thier coffee enough

 

[Robertbaker63]

i like the idea of using dimmer packs, i run alot of stage lighting cables in so i probably should know alot more about them but i didn't think of them in a building,

i've run a 1.5 t +e from all the track positions and downlights in bunches of 6-8 back to the bar which backs on to the mains boards anyway, i have plenty of space for dimmer packs. i'm surprised neither devondale, denmans or city have suggested going that way to me when they came out to quote for the job

 

[High Tower]

Ok,

This is the link, click on the link and you will see a further link for the product range, all the cribs are self explan.

The idea is you fit one of these packs, put a sp or tpn supply to it and connect all of your lighting circuits to the individual outputs. The smaller ones will run 10a per Chanel and the bigger ones will do 6a per chanel.

Once fitted you can then set 10 different scenes.

I can't tell you how good this stuff is!!!

http://www.modelighting.co.uk/index3.asp?sideid=1&id=576&set=2

 

[OWLelectrical]

Ok,

This is the link, click on the link and you will see a further link for the product range, all the cribs are self explan.

The idea is you fit one of these packs, put a sp or tpn supply to it and connect all of your lighting circuits to the individual outputs. The smaller ones will run 10a per Chanel and the bigger ones will do 6a per chanel.

Once fitted you can then set 10 different scenes.

I can't tell you how good this stuff is!!!

++ Mode Lighting ++

agree with above superb bits of kit and any problems the technical guys are great over the phone. brilliant for pubs and restaurants and clubs

 

[amlu]

one feed 2.5mm radial, and two of those or similiar:
Soundlab DMX Dimmer Pack £69.95-4 x1000 Watt Per Channel-Lighting Controller | eBay

and one like that:
STAIRVILLE DJ X 16 DMX LIGHTING CONTROLLER | eBay

run a dmx signal cable between the controller and dmx dimmers. it goes in a daisy chain.

will need to program the controller takes couple of hours but dmx is not that complicated, deffo wotrth learning

 

[OWLelectrical]

is dmx the one which you need to plug your pc to?

 

[amlu]

you can control dmx from a pc, you can also have external controller
simple 16 channel one


up to 512 channels or even more


i wish i can get out of domestic mess and have some dmx job one day

 

[High Tower]

Dmx is NOT suitable for this application. We do a lot of dmx for clubs, it's no good for this

 

[Robertbaker63]

Dmx is NOT suitable for this application. We do a lot of dmx for clubs, it's no good for this

yeah thanks, i know all about dmx from doing alot of concerts, i do alot of promotions and events so quite often do alot of stage lighting where you have all your led pars, strobes, floods, moving heads etc and they all have a 13amp plug and daisy chain all xlr cables in and out of everything and back to a controller, then a get a geek friend to do all the dip switches and program the panel for me to play with during the bands

 

[amlu]

Dmx is NOT suitable for this application. We do a lot of dmx for clubs, it's no good for this

Why not? I used dmx dimmers before and they do the job where ever you need some lights dimmed, makes job tidy and expandable, no need to run x of different switch lines.