Quizzed scheme assessor

[highspark]

I had my annual assessment last month and confronted the local assessor regarding a short course non qualified, non competent chancer that is doing the rounds in my area. This bloke carries the same badge as me on his van. Customers can't differentiate between me and him because of this.

I know what qualifications he has 17th and EAL domestic installer course. Although he likes to tell the lads down the pub hes fully qualified.. Up until a year ago he was doing general building work (badly I should add) he's a jack of all a master of non. Now when I seen the schemes logo plastered all over the van I seen my hoop. He's nothing but an incompetent chancer.

Anyway I confronted the assessor who let him in and he bare faced denied it at first saying he doesn't let "apprentices in! (the chancer is currently on the 2357 course, his first year!). Anyway he couldn't deny it when I mentioned the name. He then said oh he has the domestic installer course I've got to let him in. So I then said you called him an apprentice though and he said well essentially he is just that.

So I said how can you and the scheme justify an apprentice working in someones home as a QS. His response to that was I don't make the rules and be careful what you say because I've just got rid of a lad this week. Didn't end well to be honest.

I don't know why another scheme or a new comPany doesn't set up as JIB register only. Minimum quals 17th Edition, 2391, 2330/2360/2357, 2356 minimum quals. At least for years recordable site experiance pre application. Then all the real sparks join it and make a nationwide campaign about fully qualified lads. I'm sick of competing with chancers

 

[ipf]

I had my annual assessment last month and confronted the local assessor regarding a short course non qualified, non competent chancer that is doing the rounds in my area. This bloke carries the same badge as me on his van. Customers can't differentiate between me and him because of this.

I know what qualifications he has 17th and EAL domestic installer course. Although he likes to tell the lads down the pub hes fully qualified.. Up until a year ago he was doing general building work (badly I should add) he's a jack of all a master of non. Now when I seen the schemes logo plastered all over the van I seen my hoop. He's nothing but an incompetent chancer.

Anyway I confronted the assessor who let him in and he bare faced denied it at first saying he doesn't let "apprentices in! (the chancer is currently on the 2357 course, his first year!). Anyway he couldn't deny it when I mentioned the name. He then said oh he has the domestic installer course I've got to let him in. So I then said you called him an apprentice though and he said well essentially he is just that.

So I said how can you and the scheme justify an apprentice working in someones home as a QS. His response to that was I don't make the rules and be careful what you say because I've just got rid of a lad this week. Didn't end well to be honest.

I don't know why another scheme or a new comPany doesn't set up as JIB register only. Minimum quals 17th Edition, 2391, 2330/2360/2357, 2356 minimum quals. At least for years recordable site experiance pre application. Then all the real sparks join it and make a nationwide campaign about fully qualified lads. I'm sick of competing with chancers

I've got mine in about 5 weeks. I'd better get a move on and get a course organised. Seriously, no prizes for guessing who is going to get a grilling.

 

[Top Cat]

I had a kitchen/bathroom showroom and installer phone me up the other day, said they had some work for me. Called round and found out that they just wanted me to test and sign off there work. They are registered with Elecsa but they don't really understand how to test! FFS Told them i was not interested!

 

[Kiers1970]

I had a kitchen/bathroom showroom and installer phone me up the other day, said they had some work for me. Called round and found out that they just wanted me to test and sign off there work. They are registered with Elecsa but they don't really understand how to test! FFS Told them i was not interested!

Absolute joke isn't it, what is the point of it all?

 

[Plonker 3]

The worrying thought is that there will be someone out there with a test kit and use these sort of jobs to see if they can work it properly.

 

[JD6400]

Have had it out with our the napit / elecsa and ECA inspectors numerous times , always the same response ! can you guess what it was !?

 

[Kiers1970]

the fella I help out isa really nice bloke tbh, I cannot understand how he makes it pay at all. Last week he asked could he come to my house and show him how to test...Well done NICEIC. Between them all, they make a mockery of the so called competent persons scheme./

 

[cogsey133]

I moaned on another thread about this very thing...the schemes are a con and always will be so long as they allow every Tom, Dick or Harry to buy the green forms from them without checks. As an example a friend of mine who is a joiner and has done minor electrical work for years without problems bought a book of green certificates (certificates for non registered people) from niceic to do inspections (he chooses not to do them and gets a fully qualified to do it). This got me wondering what is to stop the cowboy or someone with no testing experience getting the green sheets and appearing legitimising their work. The clients will get a certificate, think all is well when it may not be, and wont find out otherwise until its too late.

 

[Guest55]

Have had it out with our the napit / elecsa and ECA inspectors numerous times , always the same response ! can you guess what it was !?

They pay so they're in.
Money talks end of.
Once all the schemes drop the pretence of doing things for the sake of improving electrical safety and admit to being profit driven , both the public and the industry will be better off.

 

[DurhamSparky]

my elecsa assessment was 2 months late.... i had to contact them as they no longer send out reminder letters...!!

next year might just chance not been registered.... what they going to do throw me in jail...

 

[Guitarist]

my elecsa assessment was 2 months late.... i had to contact them as they no longer send out reminder letters...!!

next year might just chance not been registered.... what they going to do throw me in jail...

It does make you wonder if it's worth bothering when all these unregistered guys do a job then just don't bother testing or issuing certificates. Most of the time the customer is none the wiser, and even when they are, all that seems to happen is that LBC ask for an EICR from another spark.

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By the way DS, I'm assuming they managed to take the annual fee out of your account...

 

[Guest55]

.................next year might just chance not been registered.... what they going to do throw me in jail...

Next year the goverment will impliment any changes from this years part p review.
From what i hear fewer jobs will need to be notified and councils may reduce the fees for non registered sparks.
Next year you might not need to be in a scheme anyway.

 

[Litttle Shonet]

And ask a customer who they would want putting spots in their bathroom a 5 week wonder or a time served lad!

Sadly it will always be whoever is cheapest

 

[nickblake]

Well i m regestered for PIR's with elecsa additional £350 every 3 years this year im not renewing that side because of there responce to a inspection i did , cutting to the short 35 deviations 10 code 1's exposed terminals every where , even to the extent of the lighting circuit having no cpc's and test resaults on the certs nice and it was given a satisfactory report im taking these with me to elex next week will be shown to the ESC and elecsa who this company is a member should be fun

 

[highspark]

Well i m regestered for PIR's with elecsa additional £350 every 3 years this year im not renewing that side because of there responce to a inspection i did , cutting to the short 35 deviations 10 code 1's exposed terminals every where , even to the extent of the lighting circuit having no cpc's and test resaults on the certs nice and it was given a satisfactory report im taking these with me to elex next week will be shown to the ESC and elecsa who this company is a member should be fun

I don't understand why people pay extra to do EICRs when you don't need to be registered to do one? What does paying benefit you

 

[nickblake]

did get a few more out of it and i do alot for letting agents who insist on it i know you dont need to regester to do them but its like before part #P if you were NIC etc you gained work its credability i supose