rcd protection- barber shop

[J.C.E]

afternoon guys

think i know answer to my question but wanted to double check

my barber (quite friendly with him so wanted to help him out!) asked me to do his barber shop eicr (only a small 6way c/u) anyways just had a brief look and its an old board with wylex push in reto 60898s- no rcd protection

the shop is ground level

would you guys c2 no rcd protection to socket outlets or with commerical is it different?

head says it just same as it would be for domestic so c2

 

[Ian1981]

Are they likely to be using Portable /mobile equipment outside?
Do any unprotected sockets give rise to danger?(external influences)
This would influence my choice of code

 

[buzzlightyear]

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here? You stated above you'd C2 sockets without RCD protection, which in general is incorrect for domestic or non-domestic

it is down to the test engineer what he thinks at the time .

 

[buzzlightyear]

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here? You stated above you'd C2 sockets without RCD protection, which in general is incorrect for domestic or non-domestic

it is down to the test engineer what he thinks at the time .

 

[westward10]

Tis not the socket which gives rise to danger but appliances using said sockets. Don't worry about the ifs and maybes the fact is they have no rcd protection and this is the statement of fact you use, Code it, move on.

 

[Ian1981]

Perhaps if it's sunny they cut hair outdoors with mounds of extension leads trailing about

 

[buzzlightyear]

or with out extension leads out side .

 

[MerlinGremlin]

I'd bring it up to current regs and put a split load board in, the equipment being used is all handheld used day in day out by an unskilled person and members of the public will be in the premises. What's the point in having regs if no one is willing to bring old installs up to current regulations? Otherwise they'll be installs 20, 30, 40 years old that aren't to current regs but loads of C3's which never get done!

 

[Stspark]

it is down to the test engineer what he thinks at the time .

I agree, can't really give a definitive answer without personally being at the installation.
However (in line with numerous electrical bodies) also can't generalise socket outlet's no rcd protection as C2. And in doing so declare thousands of older domestic and non-domestic installations as unsatisfactory.

 

[buzzlightyear]

Emmerdale on, put the kettle on .

 

[DPG]

Emmerdale on, put the kettle on .

Plug it in an RCD protected socket though. Don't go electrocuting Mr. Wilkes.

 

[Rpa07]

Plug it in an RCD protected socket though. Don't go electrocuting Mr. Wilkes.

Mr Wilkes? you're talking as old as the unprotected installations in this thread - nay, nay - that'll not do!

 

[westward10]

If one can't make such a rudimentary decision then steer clear of EICRs.

 

[static zap]

.......................... How old is the installation?

That said a barbers shop, with plug in accessories and water ................. RCD would be a good idea............

If there are no stocks in freezers -to spoil ,
or things than despiratly need recharging overnight .
Pushing for RCD sounds more than sensible
(if a fault develops at night , shop is more likely to still be there - electrics full of hair)
(It's the reason regs tighten --Improve )

 

[The Ghost]

Do the insurers think there should be RCD protection? And do the manufacturers of the shavers say the equipment is recommended to be used with an RCD? Just wondering. But I would go with C3 as there would no doubt be a significant improvement to safety for the barber and customers. Maybe RCD sockets?
I can't really see there is a likely danger taking into account the history i.e. how many people have been harmed for lack of an RCD? Probably none. Given the caveat of post no. 4

 

[DPG]

The clippers and hairdryers get a huge amount of wear and tear on the flex near the appliances with all the constant moving about. This puts the risk of shock at a higher level than most portable appliances. Just something to bear in mind generally.

C3 with a tin hat for me Mr. Wilkes.