rcd protection- barber shop

[J.C.E]

afternoon guys

think i know answer to my question but wanted to double check

my barber (quite friendly with him so wanted to help him out!) asked me to do his barber shop eicr (only a small 6way c/u) anyways just had a brief look and its an old board with wylex push in reto 60898s- no rcd protection

the shop is ground level

would you guys c2 no rcd protection to socket outlets or with commerical is it different?

head says it just same as it would be for domestic so c2

 

[Dave OCD]

J.C.E - I'd explain the value of upgrading the board to your mate the barber, a dual RCD unit wouldn't break the bank, but if finances are tight and the circuits test out ok an upfront RCD would be a definite improvement pre EICR, and of course said RCD could have been there for quite some time... This could avoid a close shave in the future.

 

[Ian1981]

J.C.E - I'd explain the value of upgrading the board to your mate the barber, a dual RCD unit wouldn't break the bank, but if finances are tight and the circuits test out ok an upfront RCD would be a definite improvement pre EICR, and of course said RCD could have been there for quite some time... This could avoid a close shave in the future.

Yep that's about the short back and sides of it ........

 

[MerlinGremlin]

This is where the regs need to be more difinative, everyone has different opinions of what coding to give and should a board be upgraded, personally myself I recommend upgrading to a split load or RCBO board due to the fact that most cables are less than 50mm depth and there's more and more technology being plugged in and used, more garden equipment like lawn mowers and strimmer etc. Plus it brings it up to current regs, sooner or later installs need to be brought up to current regs otherwise they never will.

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

C3 if equipment to be used outdoors can not be plugged into it.

 

[davesparks]

I thought the reference to equipment used outdoors had disappeared from the regs?

 

[buzzlightyear]

we need to close this thread hair to gone tomorrow.

 

[Baker1988]

Without actually being there and seeing all the variables it a bit difficult to say but more then likely a C3 from me

 

[Lucien Nunes]

I appreciate that using equipment outdoors is a significant factor for specifying RCDs or coding an installation that lacks them. But being pragmatic for a moment, hairdressers use electrical appliances constantly, handheld sometimes with damp hands, pressing the exposed metal parts against their customers' bare skin and often rubbing against the flexes. They are then stood inches away from running and splashing water and often amongst cutting tools. Some of the appliances may be grey imports, I have often seen them used with unapproved adaptors. The hedge trimmer and lawnmower are probably still more worthy of RCD protection, but hairdressing must rank fairly close. Whether that has any impact on the boundary between C3 and C2 is another matter.

 

[Rpa07]

You make a barbers sound like a war zone Lucien! I think I'll grow my hair from now on! At least until the 18th is out!

 

[NDG Elecs]

What's the difference between a barbers and a hairdressers.... Does this place have any instantaneous water heaters? Even if it doesn't and it's an old school barbers with copies of razzle and sawdust on the floor I would be tempted to C2 it. More info required in my view; grey imports and wear to flex etc have been mentioned, but at the end of the day you use your experience and discretion. I appreciate it may be a tip top pme (or other) install with superb Zs's, but without more info it's hard to code it accurately. I don't think in this instance, if applicable, the issue of outdoor equipment is that relevant. I would be far more concerned with the constant activity within the barbers itself.

 

[PEG]

...You just cannot take short cuts,in a barbers...

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

Pretty sure most barbers clippe are class 2?

The type of people who would C2 this are the kind of people who would C2 a mains board installed in 2010 for been made from a combustible material, or people who work for PH jones and British Gas

Obviously I'm assuming it's in a reasonable condition.

 

[DPG]

Pretty sure most barbers clippe are class 2?

The type of people who would C2 this are the kind of people who would C2 a mains board installed in 2010 for been made from a combustible material, or people who work for PH jones and British Gas

Obviously I'm assuming it's in a reasonable condition.

Class 2 does not negate the risk of electric shock.
However I agree not a C2.

 

[NDG Elecs]

Pretty sure most barbers clippe are class 2?

The type of people who would C2 this are the kind of people who would C2 a mains board installed in 2010 for been made from a combustible material, or people who work for PH jones and British Gas

Obviously I'm assuming it's in a reasonable condition.

I probably disagree there Chris. Yep agreed the clippers are all probably class 2, but the possible proximity of water and electricity doesn't sound great to me. I wouldn't definitely C2 it. More information is needed in my view, by way of the inspection part of the EICR.

I certainly wouldn't be C2 ing an insulated board!!!