Regulations

[Taylortwocities]

why do you say that?

He means there should be no holes in the top of the CU.
The W.R. require that accessible top surfaces of encosuresmust be at least IP4X. That means no gaps bigger than 1mm are permitted in the top.
From the picture, it looks like the cables come through the top of the CU. But the cables may come from behind, or they may have been sealed. Needs a closer look though.....

 

[jase158]

View attachment 35939

 

[Andy78]

View attachment 35939

OK, third party certification and notification is like this.
Not all schemes allow this process despite the legislation being in place to allow it. Those schemes that do allow it insist that the electrician signing for the work has inspected it at first fix to ensure compliance of the installation with BS7671, as well as inspection and testing at completion.
As it is now after the fact this option will not be possible. As Taylor says LABC will decide how they want to proceed in this situation.

 

[Taylortwocities]

Yes. But neither of those relate to work done over 9 months ago!!

Also the "registered third party" category is one that was dreamt up by the Part P committee without the buy in of the Competent Person schemes. So just because they have created a "registered third party" category, does not mean that there are many.
Note that this is a special category allowed by the very few CPS that took it on (most either did not or could not get any of their members interested.
So your regular registered electrician will still not be able to do this.

One or two of the sparking brain surgeons on here may have the 'third party' badge though ......

anybody..???????? Hello........????

 

[jase158]

OK, third party certification and notification is like this.
Not all schemes allow this process despite the legislation being in place to allow it. Those schemes that do allow it insist that the electrician signing for the work has inspected it at first fix to ensure compliance of the installation with BS7671, as well as inspection and testing at completion.
As it is now after the fact this option will not be possible. As Taylor says LABC will decide how they want to proceed in this situation.

Ok, thank you, so is this the same for minor works? I am not what i would class as "competent" at testing, so even if I bought the equipment I would not know how to use it.

 

[Pete999]

Hi all,
I have just bought a house with the intention of selling on.
So I am wondering-
if I add more sockets to the system rather then replacing all the wiring
If I make sure the light in bathroom is outside the required zones
Put a combi boiler in so that there is no need for electric shower or immersion heater
And put a gas hob in
Do I need the work to be notified to building control?
I have attached picture of fuseboard- ignore the tape as it is only for selling purposes- house sold as seen!
I am a plumber and can do electrics but as I am selling it I want to know regulations and get it right!
If it does need to be certified- do any electricians just test it or is it a case of wanting to do all the work yourself to certify it?
Part p states that an electrician can sign it off but what do electricians think of this regulation and the risks involved!
I know I would never sign someone else's gas work off but I would with plumbing work!
Finally any electricians in the County Durham area that would like to quote for work please pm me!

View attachment 35937

Nice clips on those tails

 

[jase158]

Nice clips on those tails

Thats my biggest worry- get building control in and they fail it- pay twice plus electrician to fix problems

 

[jase158]

so you have to complete 5 different qualifications to become an electrician- spend thousands on test equipment and then £600 odd on CPS and they change the regulations to let any tom, dick and harry do there own electrics- Glad I am not an electrician. Are they looking to change this? surely the biggest cause of fires is people putting cheap spotlights in loft right next to beams, paper and insulation? Yet the regulations are so confusing that anybody thinks they can do it.
At least with Gas Safe they have a hard and fast rule- nobody touch any Gas appliance or pipework
Its kind of like if they said anybody could play with a boiler but can not touch the gas components!!

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Actually, with Corgi/Gas Safe, anyone can do gas work without being registered, as long as they don't get paid for doing the work.

 

[jase158]

Actually, with Corgi/Gas Safe, anyone can do gas work without being registered, as long as they don't get paid for doing the work.

3.—(1) No person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel unless he is competent to do so.

(2) The employer of any person carrying out such work for that employer, every other employer and self-employed person who has control to any extent of such work and every employer and self-employed person who has required such work to be carried out at any place of work under his control shall ensure that paragraph (1) above is complied with in relation to such work.

(3) Without prejudice to the generality of paragraphs (1) and (2) above and subject to paragraph (4) below, no employer shall allow any of his employees to carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or service pipework and no self-employed person shall carry out any such work, unless the employer or self-employed person, as the case may be, is a member of a class of persons approved for the time being by the Health and Safety Executive for the purposes of this paragraph.

(4) The requirements of paragraph (3) above shall not apply in respect of—

(a)the replacement of a hose or regulator on a portable or mobile space heater; or

(b)the replacement of a hose connecting a re-fillable cylinder to installation pipework.

 

[jase158]

"The following are examples of what may constitute ‘bringing the Gas Safe Register into disrepute’. This is not an exhaustive list but should be considered as indicative:

Using unregistered engineers to carry out gas work or signing off others’ gas work as your own"

The gas safe is 1 cps scheme that everyone recognizes and knows- not 6-8 different schemes with different requirements

 

[Octopus]

The following are examples of what may constitute ‘bringing the Gas Safe Register into disrepute’. This is not an exhaustive list but should be considered as indicative:

Using unregistered engineers to carry out gas work or signing off others’ gas work as your own

The gas safe is 1 cps scheme that everyone recognizes and knows- not 6-8 different schemes with different requirements

I know a few gas guys who sign off unregistered guys work....

 

[Rpa07]

Don't be angry about it - it's not our fault, it frustrates us as well.
Do as Taylor in #14 said and get your solicitor to ascertain what certificates are available - if there are non then have a jiggle with the purchase price or if you have to cough up yourself when you have the place and get an EICR performed on the place. Any remedials can be negotiated with the electrician to bring you right up to selling state. You can't do everything yourself so hand that one out and pay for it.
Just my opinion. Ps. I won't do any plumbing in my place - dirty messy stuff is water!

 

[jase158]

I know a few gas guys who sign off unregistered guys work....

Please Please Please report them- Not because I want all the work myself but simply because they are putting peoples lives in risk!
It is impossible to check every part of an installation on a check after the work has been completed.
I know several gas engineers who have been called back because screws were missing on the boilers.
Flues are sealed in the wall and can not be inspected once they have been installed, if this is wrong this can leak products of combustion into the cavity.
If they are good friends then speak to them about what they are doing and the risks involved.
You wouldn't get on a plane if you knew they hadn't done any safety checks, would you?

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Yes, as I said, no requirement to be registered unless being paid for the work.