Removing socket outlets

[Bobby34]

Hi guys and girls,

A client is moving their kitchen into another room that currently has a few sockets in it.

The sockets are currently on a ring final circuit that covers every socket in the house.

They've asked me to add sockets for the new kitchen so I am going to run a new kitchen circuit most of which can be done in trunking as it will be behind the units going in.

My question is am I able to replace the faceplates of the old sockets not being used/covered with a blanking plate and use maintenance free wago's inside so the ring for the rest of the house is not affected? (3 sockets I think that will end up behind units)

Thanks in advance

 

[Bobby34]

No

So keep S/O box, inline splice/crimp shrink, oversleeve and blanking plate and then can be classed as M/F??

 

[Octopus]

If the new layout allows, I would leave the sockets in place and cut access holes in the rear of the cupboards..... or if the cables come from below, get them out of the wall and use Hager MF boxes ........

 

[Bobby34]

No

So keep S/O box, inline splice/crimp shrink, oversleeve and blanking plate and then can be classed as M/F??

 

[HappyHippyDad]

I would access the cables above these sockets in the ceiling. I would access from below as there's a pretty good chance some plastering must be going on so the small holes you make in the ceiling can be filled. I would then join the cables in a MF wago and leave in the ceiling.

I doubt the old sockets will be in an ideal place behind the new cupboards, also I doubt that the owner will want big holes cut in them simple so he can see a blanking plate in order to create the needed electrical zone. The kitchen fitter will end up just covering them up with the cabinets and then there will be live cables hidden in the walls.

 

[Wilko]

The kitchen fitter will end up just covering them up with the cabinets and then there will be live cables hidden in the walls.

And Kev may put a screw into the drop and create rework for all, not so much fun...

 

[123]

If the new layout allows, I would leave the sockets in place and cut access holes in the rear of the cupboards..... or if the cables come from below, get them out of the wall and use Hager MF boxes ........

I'd love to try and explain that to a customer - yes Mam I know your kitchen cost over £20k, but it was easier for us to put the big holes in the back of the units rather than remove the sockets properly.

 

[Bobby34]

So can i just confirm, if I use a crimp and shrink or inline splice and then put a blanking plate then it will be classed as MF? I don't want to cut holes etc in cupboards the ring main could do with having a few less sockets on it as it is haha.

 

[westward10]

Don't forget to maintain an earth to the back box, not sure how you would make this MF.

 

[Octopus]

I'd love to try and explain that to a customer - yes Mam I know your kitchen cost over £20k, but it was easier for us to put the big holes in the back of the units rather than remove the sockets properly.

I did say "if the layout allows" .........

 

[GBDamo]

Hi guys and girls,

A client is moving their kitchen into another room that currently has a few sockets in it.

The sockets are currently on a ring final circuit that covers every socket in the house.

They've asked me to add sockets for the new kitchen so I am going to run a new kitchen circuit most of which can be done in trunking as it will be behind the units going in.

My question is am I able to replace the faceplates of the old sockets not being used/covered with a blanking plate and use maintenance free wago's inside so the ring for the rest of the house is not affected? (3 sockets I think that will end up behind units)

Thanks in advance

If you can get access to the leg in and leg out under the floor, I think it' be a better job to cut out the old sockets and link the old legs under the floor in MF boxes.

A row of blanking plates on the wall is going to look ugly and it's only a matter of time until someone removes them and skims over.

Then you'll have live cables in the wall with no obvious route indicators.

Try to go d the legs and do it properly, all in my humble opinion of course.

 

[remedial]

Have you considered splitting the ring and removing all unwanted sockets?

 

[haj]

Split ring remove Surplus sockets join back up with wago’s and wago box under cabinets behind plinths ! Just remember to try and leave enough slack to make it easy in the future to check em.

 

[Pete999]

Split ring remove Surplus sockets join back up with wago’s and wago box under cabinets behind plinths ! Just remember to try and leave enough slack to make it easy in the future to check em.

Why check them if they are MF?

 

[Deleted member 9648]

Not all Wago boxes are MF. The box used must be stamped with the MF symbol. The smaller boxes are not. I have no idea why this is the case, but it is.

 

[Andy78]

Not all Wago boxes are MF. The box used must be stamped with the MF symbol. The smaller boxes are not. I have no idea why this is the case, but it is.

The larger boxes have cradles for the connectors but the small ones don't, is a possible reason ? Not sure.