Replacement shower

[keniff]

If your replacing a shower like for like power wise, are you under any obligation to supply rcd for this? As no alteration has been made to the circuit and no change of opd has been done?

 

[GLENNSPARK]

as has been said...check manufactures instructions....
i personaly would RCD it but...

 

[sparkless]

if its like for like then no,
but if you do then cert has to be supplied and additional testing, so would influence the cost

 

[onions1066]

as has been said...check manufactures instructions....
i personaly would RCD it but...

But what? So you wouldn't comply?

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Like for like still requires a cert

 

[UNG]

Had this with niceic before. Manufacturers instruction supersede 7671 . No more to be said. If you do not install to manufactures instructions it will not comply as they will never instruct you to do anything against the regs but they may ask you to go over and above the minimum standard.

I assume if manufacturers instructions supersede BS7671 then this would have to be listed as a departure from the regs on any certificate

This could also be interesting in a court if the manufacturers instructions due to errors did not fully meet the requirements of the regs and an incident occurred

 

[onions1066]

I assume if manufacturers instructions supersede BS7671 then this would have to be listed as a departure from the regs on any certificate

This could also be interesting in a court if the manufacturers instructions due to errors did not fully meet the requirements of the regs and an incident occurred

my driving licence doesn't tell me not to run people over, but it doesn't mean I can

 

[GLENNSPARK]

and when did i not mention issuing a cert eh?

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Here are some excerpts from manufacturers' instructions for fiting electric showers:

Triton:
The following notes are for guidance only:
5.1 A 30mA residual current device (RCD) must
be installed in all UK electric and pumped
shower circuits. This may be part of the
consumer unit or a separate unit.

Gainsborough:
IN THE INTERESTS OF ELECTRICAL SAFETY, A 30mA RESIDUAL CURRENT DEVICE (RCD) SHOULD BE INSTALLED IN ALL
UK 230-240V ELECTRIC SHOWERS. THIS MAY BE PART OF A CONSUMER UNIT OR A SEPARATE UNIT.

Mira:
It is strongly recommended that a 30 mA Residual Current Device (RCD) is
included in the electrical circuit. This may be part of the consumer unit or a separate unit.

Aqualisa:
IN THE INTERESTS OF ELECTRICAL SAFETY, A 30mA RESIDUAL CURRENTDEVICE (RCD) SHOULD BE INSTALLED IN ALL UK 230-240V ELECTRIC
SHOWERS AND PUMPED CIRCUITS. THIS MAY BE PART OF A CONSUMER
UNIT OR A SEPERATE UNIT.

Creda and MX don't mention anything about RCDs whatsoever.

Who are these manufacturers' that state an RCD must be fitted in their instructions?

 

[onions1066]

Ha ha sparkless not you. Sorry glen I take it back. Humble pie.

 

[onions1066]

Instructions for Triton:
The following notes are for guidance only:
5.1 A 30mA residual current device (RCD) must
be installed in all UK electric and pumped
shower circuits. This may be part of the
consumer unit or a separate unit.

Instructions for Gainsborough:IN THE INTERESTS OF ELECTRICAL SAFETY, A 30mA RESIDUAL CURRENT DEVICE (RCD) SHOULD BE INSTALLED IN ALL
UK 230-240V ELECTRIC SHOWERS. THIS MAY BE PART OF A CONSUMER UNIT OR A SEPARATE UNIT.

Instructions for Mira:It is strongly recommended that a 30 mA Residual Current Device (RCD) is
included in the electrical circuit. This may be part of the consumer unit or a separate unit.

Instructions for Aqualisa:
IN THE INTERESTS OF ELECTRICAL SAFETY, A 30mA RESIDUAL CURRENTDEVICE (RCD) SHOULD BE INSTALLED IN ALL UK 230-240V ELECTRIC
SHOWERS AND PUMPED CIRCUITS. THIS MAY BE PART OF A CONSUMER
UNIT OR A SEPERATE UNIT.

Creda and MX don't mention anything about RCDs.

That's my point spin. Your arguing against yourself. I said yes you said no

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Instructions for Triton:
The following notes are for guidance only:
5.1 A 30mA residual current device (RCD) must
be installed in all UK electric and pumped
shower circuits. This may be part of the
consumer unit or a separate unit.

Instructions for Gainsborough:IN THE INTERESTS OF ELECTRICAL SAFETY, A 30mA RESIDUAL CURRENT DEVICE (RCD) SHOULD BE INSTALLED IN ALL
UK 230-240V ELECTRIC SHOWERS. THIS MAY BE PART OF A CONSUMER UNIT OR A SEPARATE UNIT.

Instructions for Mira:It is strongly recommended that a 30 mA Residual Current Device (RCD) is
included in the electrical circuit. This may be part of the consumer unit or a separate unit.

Instructions for Aqualisa:
IN THE INTERESTS OF ELECTRICAL SAFETY, A 30mA RESIDUAL CURRENTDEVICE (RCD) SHOULD BE INSTALLED IN ALL UK 230-240V ELECTRIC
SHOWERS AND PUMPED CIRCUITS. THIS MAY BE PART OF A CONSUMER
UNIT OR A SEPERATE UNIT.

Creda and MX don't mention anything about RCDs.

That's my point spin. Your arguing against yourself. I said yes you said no

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Ha ha sparkless not you. Sorry glen I take it back. Humble pie.

no probs onions:biggrin:

 

[shocking_eg]

Eitherway

Wouldn't you install one anyway ?

 

[onions1066]

Instructions for Triton:
The following notes are for guidance only:
5.1 A 30mA residual current device (RCD) must
be installed in all UK electric and pumped
shower circuits. This may be part of the
consumer unit or a separate unit.

Instructions for Gainsborough:IN THE INTERESTS OF ELECTRICAL SAFETY, A 30mA RESIDUAL CURRENT DEVICE (RCD) SHOULD BE INSTALLED IN ALL
UK 230-240V ELECTRIC SHOWERS. THIS MAY BE PART OF A CONSUMER UNIT OR A SEPARATE UNIT.

Instructions for Mira:It is strongly recommended that a 30 mA Residual Current Device (RCD) is
included in the electrical circuit. This may be part of the consumer unit or a separate unit.

Instructions for Aqualisa:
IN THE INTERESTS OF ELECTRICAL SAFETY, A 30mA RESIDUAL CURRENTDEVICE (RCD) SHOULD BE INSTALLED IN ALL UK 230-240V ELECTRIC
SHOWERS AND PUMPED CIRCUITS. THIS MAY BE PART OF A CONSUMER
UNIT OR A SEPERATE UNIT.

Creda and MX don't mention anything about RCDs.

That's my point your arguing against yourself spin. I said yes you said no

 

[Sparkyphill]

Did someone mention fitting an RCD ?...............I'm keeping my mouth shut :leaving:

 

[onions1066]

Thanks glen you got me in a fluster then and I have posted the same reply 3 times.

 

[onions1066]

Sparky phill you need to pick your corner now no time for fence sitters, rcd or not. Don't take too long to think about it they are starting to outnumber me. I'm sinking :thinking2: