Rewired bungalow, before i plaster have i missed anything?!

[supasparxs]

It is my own house, no Cash job or anything (im industrial so keep away from most guvvies).

i have wired a tv point into the living room and one to the bedroom, this should be sufficient my needs.
Also ran a phone cable to 2 points and a satelite coax ready for the sky dish to join onto.


You points about an intruder alarm being wired have been taken... i like your contactor idea haha, very good, i am toying with something like that now...

cheers for all the advice!!

as it's for yourself, have you considered wiring a computer network (wired network is faster and more secure than wirless)

also wiring wall or ceiling speekers for your soround sound system?

these are things I have included in my house

(thats why it's taken 3 years, and hopefully it'll be finnished before the 18edition comes in)

Richard

 

[super_stuey]

You are correct by what you say here, however, you cannot make them any less accesible than the sockets currently are i.e if you have sockets all over just above the skirting, you cannot mount them on the skirting etc.

Fair one bud good point. Just didnt want the chap thinking he had to start ragging back boxes out and startin over! l

 

[Sav]

Hi Sintra,
Thanks for the reply.
Just got out the 17th edition ( from my frost covered van ).

Reg 560.7.1 states Circuits odf sfaety services shall be independent of other circuits. It does not mention that they should not be RCD protected.

However, according to BS5839-6:2004 Fire detection and Fire alarm systems for builings, it states
The circuit supplying these systems should preferably NOT be protected by an RCD. This however is going to be difficult to achieve, if the circuit supplying these systems is buried in the walls less than 50mm and standard domestic wiring systems used.
Indeed, the supply cables would need to be specially protected in earthed metal conduit etc, for RCD protection not to be used.
Options for circuits supplying fire or smoke alarms in dwellings protected by an RCD include:

1/ The RCD serves only that circuit. For example with the use of an RCBO
2/ The RCD operates independently of any RCD feeding socket or portable equipment.

Hope this helps or clears things up slightly.......or maybe not !!!!

Sav

 

[Sintra]

Hi Sav I agree.


The wording states should not. Not must not.

Except for TT systems, the circuit supplying a smoke alarm should not be protected by an RCD.

It is only preferable not to RCD smoke alarm circuits.

 

[steviesparks]

smokes and medical equipment, its more commonsense than written into BS7671, if all else trips you don't want granddads defibrillator switched off, or the smokes not working.

 

[bez101]

I am to wire my dual split rcd board as so...

RCD One governing Inside Lights, Outside Lights, Boiler.

RCD Two governing Sockets, Kitchen Sockets, Cooker.


So strictly speaking No portable equipment etc will trip my lighting (thus my fire alarms).

I cannot win as such, i have to have my lighting on an RCD becuase the bathroom is included but ideally my smokes shouldnt be on an Rcd. Worst comes to worst and anything is tripping my lighting it will get rectified so im not going to be without smokes for any period of time.

(Doing my head in a bit to be honnest, might pull the sodding cables back up to loft and put battery ones back in!!)

Supasparxs: i have ran all speaker cables to bathroom, kitchen and pottential hifi points in my living room so i have that covered. I havent really bothered with a network cable as i have a wireless modem and it is sufficient for what i use, but it has been considered.


Thanks alot guys, all very appreciated,

Keep it coming if you can think of anything...

Phil...

 

[Davey101]

Unfortunatley you aren't allowed under building regs to install battery powered alarms.
Saying that, I presume that you are not getting building control involved? If thats the case, I shouldnt think the spark testing your electrics will be interested if you have smokes installed or not? In other words, if you have wired smoke detectors, the spark will have to test them. If you havent got any, then he wont be testing them.
If you are worried about failing the electrical installation because of the smokes, I'd be inclined to not connect them, and reconnect them after its been tested.
Someone else will have to confirm that smokes will not be tested though.

Whilst we are on the subject of smokes, have you checked where you need to install them? Its surprising how many you have to install these days, there is a list in the OSG IIRC.

One more point- have you got the board yet? Most seem to have a facility to enable you to connect smokes etc without them being on either RCD. Such as- 17th Edition Fuse boards & consumer units

 

[IP4X]

Minimum sockets heights are for NEW BUILDINGS/EXTENSIONS ONLY!! Stick em where you want bud

Hi there
You are spot on there.
Dont want to give any false information. Just that all the jobs I have done through BC, they have insisted on it, refurbs, full rewires...etc
I can only assume that you are doing the job through BC or you have a friend who knows your standard of work who can sign it off? You should ask them but this is a very trivial issue as long as you havent made it any less part m compliant.
Cheers

 

[Des 56]

What is peoples problem putting smoke alarms with battery back up on a local lighting circuit
The alarm system that should not be affected by interuption to another circuit is geared toward non domestic situations

In a domestic,if there is no battery back up then it needs its own circuit

Smokes with battery back up, in any practical situation the battery will take over for any period of interuption until the lghts suoply is reset,this would be a short period unless the householder was quietly decomposing in the dark

I have heard the arguments for its own circuit, but have not accepted any views that I have heard that would make a domestic alarm circuit to be improved by having a seperate circuit

 

[Davey101]

I have heard the arguments for its own circuit, but have not accepted any views that I have heard that would make a domestic alarm circuit to be improved by having a seperate circuit

I think its simply the fact that with the 17th, and RCD's, tripping of one half of a board is quite likely, and who knows how long it will be until the fault is fixed?
If you are saying that they are backed up by a battery, so it doesnt matter, then you could use that argument for a standalone panel, in say a factory, its probably got a battery that will last 24 hours, but you wouldnt wire it off a local ring main.
Not saying its that important, but you can see where they are coming from.

 

[Spudnik]

As i pointed out before, i think this reg about fire detection having to be supplied by its own circuit, is primarily aimed at commercial and industrial locations, although i agree there is no solid answer as the regs do contradict themselves with this.

I have had no problems and have no problem in wiring them from a local lighting circuit with an RCD if there is no alternative.

 

[lj.l]

I agree with Jason s
Had a bit of an issue with this myself asked on here and got same advice .
The onsite guide says a locally used lighting circuit can be used , although if this house is a bungalow its possable that there will be no smoke alarm cables buried in the walls so no need for rcd protection if wired on a seperate circuit.

 

[ian.settle1]

I am to wire my dual split rcd board as so...

RCD One governing Inside Lights, Outside Lights, Boiler.

RCD Two governing Sockets, Kitchen Sockets, Cooker.


So strictly speaking No portable equipment etc will trip my lighting (thus my fire alarms).

I cannot win as such, i have to have my lighting on an RCD becuase the bathroom is included but ideally my smokes shouldnt be on an Rcd. Worst comes to worst and anything is tripping my lighting it will get rectified so im not going to be without smokes for any period of time.

(Doing my head in a bit to be honnest, might pull the sodding cables back up to loft and put battery ones back in!!)

Supasparxs: i have ran all speaker cables to bathroom, kitchen and pottential hifi points in my living room so i have that covered. I havent really bothered with a network cable as i have a wireless modem and it is sufficient for what i use, but it has been considered.


Thanks alot guys, all very appreciated,

Keep it coming if you can think of anything...

Phil...

If your lighting switch drops are chased into the wall are less than 50mm deep and not protected by earthed metal protection it would still need to be RCD protected even if the bathroom was not on the circuit.