Ross Kemp and the Armed please

[elsparko]

Yep you have no idea.

i have more idea than you, i can guarantee that, you want to arm every single police officer straight out of training, yeah there wont be any problems with that eh

you obviously have little concept on how offense/defense works, or human nature.

why has the human race being producing bigger and better defenses and weapons? is it because their enemy got bigger and better defences and the cycle continues?

i know 3 dirty coppers personally, all still in the force, one is cid

 

[elsparko]

and whilst were on it, the biggest dealer of weed in the city , his dad is only the chief of police! when his house got raided no charges! hmmmm fishhhhhhhhhhhhhhy

 

[elsparko]

Conflict escalation - Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_escalation

you shouldnt bother to argue on a subject i know far more about than you.

The conflict escalation curve is a concept created by Michael N. Nagler.[citation needed] The conflict escalation curve proposes that the intensity of a conflict is directly related to how far dehumanization has proceeded. In other words, conflicts escalate in the degree to which parties dehumanize one another (or one party is dehumanizing the other).

 

[elsparko]

i do agree there should be more dedicated armed units, but not to give the fodder that just passed their training weapons, whats the first thing a 5ft odd female is going to do vs some roided up guy raising his voice a little? probably pull that weapon on him and escalate the situation.

 

[elsparko]

this is an example of the type of officer you want armed with firearms! uneblievable!

 

[Midwest]

"we" dont select them, whoever puts themselves forward and passes the very basic entry tests can become a police officer

Uummphh can't sleep.

We is the Royal 'We'. Police officers are selected from within our community, not from some far off planet. Consequently they come with their own views, opinions & traits from the section of society they originate from.

Entry is a long process, and eventually there will be only three routes. One being an apprenticeship, the others degree based, not something I quite agree with. It is not just taking a simple test, aka open book multi choice exam such as the current 18th. The process is designed to weed out the inappropriate. Costs a lot of money to train a cop, why waste tax payers money, on someone your gonna have to kick out in time. That said, no process is failproof, and some 'bad ens' get through.

I agree with you that even the best of cops can assume an authoritarian personality or hubris attitude. But thats a unpalatable human personality, not a police officer one.

You've quoted lots of links on police corruption, by my calculations, it amounts to 0.25% of police officers in England & Wales in the last three years. One of the reports you cited said 'Police forces have made significant progress in putting in place the processes to prevent and tackle corruption, according to a report launched today by Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary (HMIC), and this is in part due to strong leadership being demonstrated by senior police officers'.

Your welcome to your views elsparko, but if you were a cop, I'll reported you to senior officers, like I have done to the mods about some of your posts in other threads. Thats how it works. If you know bent coppers, why don't you do your public duty & report them?

The cops use conflict escalation, except they call it conflict resolution. And it starts off with officer presence, noting that some people (and I'm not just referring to the low life's of society), find just the very presence of a uniformed officer unsettling.

And lastly, I agree with you to arm all police officers would be foolhardy.

Whilst the percentage of officers prepared to carry a firearm has risen in recent times, the percentage 'who believe they and colleagues should be routinely armed' is still low;
Majority of police officers are prepared to carry guns, survey finds - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/22/one-in-three-uk-officers-want-all-police-to-carry-guns-survey-finds

You might note, that only 23% of police officers, replied to that survey.

See if I can get some sleep now.

 

[FatAlan]

Interesting that there is now a majority of officers wanting to be armed. Probably a relection of the lack of officers and back up available. After 30 years in the job I would still have preferred not to be armed but then it’s a while since I worked up in the smoke. There does however need to be more specialist firearms officers out there especially in areas with higher incidences of gang and gun crime. Over the years I have worked with plenty of numpties that I wouldn’t let near a firearm or even the uniform for that matter. In my view they won’t arm all officers due to cost. If I was firearmed trained I would at least want some sort of training on a weekly basis to stay familiar and as safe as possible with the kit ...that ain’t going to happen.

 

[Midwest]

Training for AFO's, as far as I'm aware is monthly. Qualification shoots were yearly, I think.

 

[elsparko]

Uummphh can't sleep.

We is the Royal 'We'. Police officers are selected from within our community, not from some far off planet. Consequently they come with their own views, opinions & traits from the section of society they originate from.

Entry is a long process, and eventually there will be only three routes. One being an apprenticeship, the others degree based, not something I quite agree with. It is not just taking a simple test, aka open book multi choice exam such as the current 18th. The process is designed to weed out the inappropriate. Costs a lot of money to train a cop, why waste tax payers money, on someone your gonna have to kick out in time. That said, no process is failproof, and some 'bad ens' get through.

I agree with you that even the best of cops can assume an authoritarian personality or hubris attitude. But thats a unpalatable human personality, not a police officer one.

You've quoted lots of links on police corruption, by my calculations, it amounts to 0.25% of police officers in England & Wales in the last three years. One of the reports you cited said 'Police forces have made significant progress in putting in place the processes to prevent and tackle corruption, according to a report launched today by Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary (HMIC), and this is in part due to strong leadership being demonstrated by senior police officers'.

Your welcome to your views elsparko, but if you were a cop, I'll reported you to senior officers, like I have done to the mods about some of your posts in other threads. Thats how it works. If you know bent coppers, why don't you do your public duty & report them?

The cops use conflict escalation, except they call it conflict resolution. And it starts off with officer presence, noting that some people (and I'm not just referring to the low life's of society), find just the very presence of a uniformed officer unsettling.

And lastly, I agree with you to arm all police officers would be foolhardy.

Whilst the percentage of officers prepared to carry a firearm has risen in recent times, the percentage 'who believe they and colleagues should be routinely armed' is still low;
Majority of police officers are prepared to carry guns, survey finds - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/22/one-in-three-uk-officers-want-all-police-to-carry-guns-survey-finds

You might note, that only 23% of police officers, replied to that survey.

See if I can get some sleep now.

why would i report them? they have done nothing to me, im not a snake

you seem to live in a perfect world, everyone has a price, even police officers, that uniform doesnt somehow make them a superior moral being.

 

[elsparko]

Interesting that there is now a majority of officers wanting to be armed. Probably a relection of the lack of officers and back up available. After 30 years in the job I would still have preferred not to be armed but then it’s a while since I worked up in the smoke. There does however need to be more specialist firearms officers out there especially in areas with higher incidences of gang and gun crime. Over the years I have worked with plenty of numpties that I wouldn’t let near a firearm or even the uniform for that matter. In my view they won’t arm all officers due to cost. If I was firearmed trained I would at least want some sort of training on a weekly basis to stay familiar and as safe as possible with the kit ...that ain’t going to happen.

the training is simple, dont point the business end of the weapon at anything you arent prepared to fire on

how long till police officers get targeted for their service weapons when armed?

 

[elsparko]

the police are supposed to de-escalate situations

if the police need to be armed then the argument stands that so do ordinary citizens, if you want the police armed, i want a sidearm license too.

 

[Midwest]

why would i report them? they have done nothing to me, im not a snake

you seem to live in a perfect world, everyone has a price, even police officers, that uniform doesnt somehow make them a superior moral being.

You seem to be appalled about police corruption, but don't want to do anything about. If your saw someone nicking a car, you wouldn't report it?

My world is not perfect, I've clearly more worldly wise than you to realise that. I think you are just a youngster with no life experiences; give it a few more years and see what comes your way, and the people you hold dear.

What price to pay and uniformed beings? You clearly don't read what people post.

 

[Midwest]

the training is simple, dont point the business end of the weapon at anything you arent prepared to fire on

Wot about how you load the thing in the first place?

 

[Midwest]

the police are supposed to de-escalate situations

if the police need to be armed then the argument stands that so do ordinary citizens, if you want the police armed, i want a sidearm license too.

Your just being argumentative for the sake of.

 

[elsparko]

You seem to be appalled about police corruption, but don't want to do anything about. If your saw someone nicking a car, you wouldn't report it?

My world is not perfect, I've clearly more worldly wise than you to realise that. I think you are just a youngster with no life experiences; give it a few more years and see what comes your way, and the people you hold dear.

What price to pay and uniformed beings? You clearly don't read what people post.

plata o plomo.

ive got plenty life experience, plenty with the police, most of them are inept

its like g4s hiring pensioner females to guard prisons LOL

howdo you think drugs get into prison? 90% of it is through guards

how do you think evidence goes "missing" in important cases?

that uniform doesnt make them any better than you or me, why you want bobbies on the beat armed is senseless

most criminals dont use guns, just a fraction of them (in this country anyway) so why do the police need to be armed to the hilt to combat a small fraction of society?

or is it because the dregs of the world are flooding into europe then here via eu citizenship?


i bet you think catholic priests can do no wrong aswell, such a fairytale you live in.

if i seen someone breaking into a car? id black their eyes