SBS Trade consumer units

[Timbo]

These also look identical. Again, no mentionof specific busbar.

NB2LE Series - Chint Europe (UK) Ltd

Single module RCBO B and C curve 6A to 25A 30mA 4500A Breaking capacity NB2LE Series – Datasheet NB2LE Series – Certificate

chint.co.uk

 

[Simon47]

These also look identical. Again, no mentionof specific busbar.

NB2LE Series - Chint Europe (UK) Ltd

Single module RCBO B and C curve 6A to 25A 30mA 4500A Breaking capacity NB2LE Series – Datasheet NB2LE Series – Certificate

chint.co.uk

Does the 4500 in the box mean only 4.5kA breaking capacity ? That's "rather low" compared to the normal 6kA and occasionally 10kA found on other makes.

 

[westward10]

This is often what happens when you buy these bespoke products and they go out of business, you are stuck. Unless someone takes over the brand you are going to have difficulty proving compatibility.

 

[Timbo]

Does the 4500 in the box mean only 4.5kA breaking capacity ? That's "rather low" compared to the normal 6kA and occasionally 10kA found on other makes.

 

[Simon47]

This is often what happens when you buy these bespoke products and they go out of business, you are stuck. Unless someone takes over the brand you are going to have difficulty proving compatibility.

Not so much bespoke, more "snall vendor". Mind you, the big vendors leave you in the same position when they change ranges - the cynics might think deliberately to obsolete installed systems.

 

[westward10]

Not so much bespoke, more "snall vendor". Mind you, the big vendors leave you in the same position when they change ranges - the cynics might think deliberately to obsolete installed systems.

Small vendor or bespoke it makes little difference it was a gamble to use their products and not face fallout in the long run. Of course the prominent brands chop and change with no backward compatibility but there is availability to some extent and the odd brand do maintain compatibility/availability. Schneider took over Merlin Gerin and Square D and to their credit still provide compatible parts. Given the choice of using SBS products it would not even be considered because the nature of the product and it's uniqueness it would not have been a viable option.

 

[pc1966]

Getting back to the point in hand; Live have a range of RCBOs in their catalogue which are intended for use with dual busbars, but no sign of a dual busbar for use in any of their enclosures and there is no availability of these RCBOs worldwide. This all seems rather odd.

I strongly suspect that 'Live' really just re-brand some supplier who makes a lot more for the EU market, maybe they are listed as they got UK certification/testing done for SBS, or just for internal purposes to sell to SBS?

But it is odd if they are the actual importer due to size they don't take over spares, etc.

 

[timhoward]

Does anyone recognise this embossed logo that is on the side of the devices?

 

[timhoward]

Possibly available in Australia!

DL 6kA 16 Amp Single Pole Safety Switch RCBO RCDMCB 30mA 3 YEARS WARRANTY

Shop Online DL 6kA 16 Amp Single Pole Safety Switch RCBO RCDMCB 30mA 3 YEARS WARRANTY! from AGM Electrical Supplies. We Offer top Quality RCBO Safety Switch in Australia.

agmelectrical.com.au

 

[mainline]

Place of Origin
Zhejiang, China
DL Electric.

Made for the Australian market

Top And Button Wire Dl7nl-40 Dl Rcbo 20a 1p+n Ac Type For As/nzs Standard With Saa $ Esv - Buy As/nzs Standard 1p+n Rcbo 20a Rcbo Product on Alibaba.com

Top And Button Wire Dl7nl-40 Dl Rcbo 20a 1p+n Ac Type For As/nzs Standard With Saa $ Esv - Buy As/nzs Standard 1p+n Rcbo 20a Rcbo Product on Alibaba.com

www.alibaba.com

 

[Timbo]

Place of Origin
Zhejiang, China
DL Electric.

Made for the Australian market

Top And Button Wire Dl7nl-40 Dl Rcbo 20a 1p+n Ac Type For As/nzs Standard With Saa $ Esv - Buy As/nzs Standard 1p+n Rcbo 20a Rcbo Product on Alibaba.com

Top And Button Wire Dl7nl-40 Dl Rcbo 20a 1p+n Ac Type For As/nzs Standard With Saa $ Esv - Buy As/nzs Standard 1p+n Rcbo 20a Rcbo Product on Alibaba.com

www.alibaba.com

I notice, scrolling down in that link, they have the ½ module width mcb's as well.

 

[Timbo]

Note main switch and mcb are LVE branded, as are the contactors. The RCBO's are SBS branded.
The enclosure is LVE.
I bought and installed this in 2018.

 

[ufarooq]

I do like the busbar system in those boards. But as you say, my concern would be availability of parts.

How much was that fully populated board out of interest?

You can purchase similar RCBO from Live Electrical Distribution, the product code is RNC1xxx-030N

 

[mainline]

I can only think that sbs were a bit of a con really, just selling rebranded low-priced items and selling them on to electrical installers as if they were an exclusive item that the public couldn't purchase.

I wouldn't like to guess how much of a markup they had, but it obviously wasn't enough to stop them going under.

 

[Simon47]

I disagree with that description.
What he did sell was a flexible system configured to your requirements.
For example, before the half-module or full module 1P+N MCBs were available, he'd cut you a busbar set that combined 2-pin locations for the compact RCBOs and 1-pin locations for MCBs.
Or, he'd swap the main switch for a changeover switch to support genny input, with busbars made to suit.

And bear in mind he was doing this before compact RCBOs were available from most of the manufacturers. Admittedly, now every man and his dog does compact RCBOs etc, it's taken away a lot of the benefits.

IMO the custom busbars were the USP for him. LiVE have 2-pin busbar sets, but only sold in 1m lengths with nothing but 2-pin locations. Hence no busbar that fits both the compact RCBOs and the main switch - so I suppose that means having fly-leads internally sharing a terminal with the bus bar in one of the RCBOs, which is hardly ideal.

Hmm, there's an opportunity there - only selling busbars to make up a LiVE unit