Should those seeking Fast Track routes into the trade be belittled ?

[SparksWill Fly]

I seems that resentment, ego and selfishness are at play on some construction trade related forums when ever the question of fast track courses pops up. Again on "some" forums, i get a sense of..

"I had to do such and such, so i don't even care if the fast track course was any good anyway. Or even if it's the only option some folk have because i had to go through this certain method, so therefore everybody else should have to, I don't care if my comments put folks off wanting to do well for themselves, even if fast track is their only option, because my own ego and selfishness is more important than their life"

Of course no one would ever admit that the reason they say such and such comment is because they are stroking their ego and are selfish, they will just say that it simply has to do with their concern as to the quality of workmanship that folks have after completing fast track courses. And I'm sure this is true for some, but even for those whos opinion is based solely on the quality of the workmanship of a "fast-tracker" they should still be considerate of the fact that other folks are entitled to become tradesmen just as much as they are, only they don't have the same available options you have/had in order to get there. But certain other users who post on construction forums (i'm not just picking on this forum but any tradesman related forum) I feel, post comments simply with an intent to be negative in a way that mirrors what i explained above with regards to "Resentment" "Ego" "Selfishness"

 

[RWJ]

wow, now this is a good debate ! like my stepdad said "it will all come out in the wash"

I'm sure there is competent 5 day guys out there..... but we never see their work!! We only pick up the pieces

 

[bugsy]

I seems that resentment, ego and selfishness are at play on some construction trade related forums when ever the question of fast track courses pops up. Again on "some" forums, i get a sense of..

"I had to do such and such, so i don't even care if the fast track course was any good anyway. Or even if it's the only option some folk have because i had to go through this certain method, so therefore everybody else should have to, I don't care if my comments put folks off wanting to do well for themselves, even if fast track is their only option, because my own ego and selfishness is more important than their life"

Of course no one would ever admit that the reason they say such and such comment is because they are stroking their ego and are selfish, they will just say that it simply has to do with their concern as to the quality of workmanship that folks have after completing fast track courses. And I'm sure this is true for some, but even for those whos opinion is based solely on the quality of the workmanship of a "fast-tracker" they should still be considerate of the fact that other folks are entitled to become tradesmen just as much as they are, only they don't have the same available options you have/had in order to get there. But certain other users who post on construction forums (i'm not just picking on this forum but any tradesman related forum) I feel, post comments simply with an intent to be negative in a way that mirrors what i explained above with regards to "Resentment" "Ego" "Selfishness"

What are you on about, of course people get p'd off , spend 4 years doing an apprenticeship, get given all shty jobs, get treated like dirt , finally get your papers and tell yourself it was all worthwhile , then all of a sudden you can do all this fast track -- well let me tell you something smart ase when you done a proper apprenticeship at the end of your time your competant in tray , conduit, all swa's, micc fp, have a good knoledge of testing, and would have learnt a good few tricks of the trade!

 

[mattmoo1974]

I think the issue here is all the full blown sparks getting P****Y cos people are under cutting them on house bashing.
I cant see a 4 weeker playing around with 3 phase etc etc.

 

[RWJ]

I think the issue here is all the full blown sparks getting P****Y cos people are under cutting them on house bashing.
I cant see a 4 weeker playing around with 3 phase etc etc.

They do..... I've picked up the pieces.... Luckily no one was killed and the firm only lost a days work while we and the DNO sorted it out

 

[Electricalserv]

I think the issue here is all the full blown sparks getting P****Y cos people are under cutting them on house bashing.
I cant see a 4 weeker playing around with 3 phase etc etc.

Yeh you are right

 

[bugsy]

I think the issue here is all the full blown sparks getting P****Y cos people are under cutting them on house bashing.
I cant see a 4 weeker playing around with 3 phase etc etc.

Well then he's not fully qaulified then , but love to sit and watch!

 

[RWJ]

Well then he's not fully qaulified then , but love to sit and watch!

It's like guy fawkes night

 

[bugsy]

well i happen to come from a "alternative news" i.e non mainstream brainwashing background, and i can honestly tell you that i understand where you are coming from but trust me, it's not the guy who does a six month course who is making it harder for you, tptb (the powers that be) and i'm talking about those who really run things, not puppet prime ministers. They are the ones responsible for creating this divide and conquer survival of the fittest mentality, and purposely creating a state of depression (recession) call it what you will, which means we all end up directing our anger at each other rather than at them.

But again, and i don't want to get on anyone's nerves that's not my purpose.. But if you take an honest look at my previous post it may show you something about the tone of your reply.

What if those six month fast-trackers also have mouths to feed and doing a fast track course was their only option ?

This life is a lottery, it's about how lucky you are. And you shouldn't be mad at good honest folk (be mad at those who are not that's fine) i'm sure there's folks in africa and other poor regions of the world that would happily do double what you did and also take half the wage and do longer hours at the end of it. Should they be mad at you because you get to earn a living being an electrician and they don't ?

Of course not, their beef should be with the system and those parasites that knowingly and willingly help to keep things how they are.

what planet are you on!"

 

[sparkswillfly]

Don't confuse the original sparkswillfly with sparkswill fly

 

[mattmoo1974]

Well then he's not fully qaulified then , but love to sit and watch!

Hes qualifed in the eyes on the Governing Bodys :S
I dont think any 1s argueing the fact there not qualifed to play with 3 phase/Industrail/Comm
I think the OP was the fact that alot of the fully Qualifed Sparks look down at the 4 weekers.
And then vent there anger about being under cut by these people.
I think he was just pointing this out and its turned into this
I dont doubt there are a few that will abuse the short courses and think they are fully Qualifed after 4 weeks.
Hes pointing out that hes not and has been treated like he is.
Every 1 can come up with a job that some 1 before them has bodged.
Alot of these people are fully Qualifed!

 

[bugsy]

I've got a bike you can ride if you like, it's got a basket and bell's and thing's to make it look good
I;d give it to you if I could but I borrowed it

 

[brucelee]

It is all down to the individual if they want to do a good job or bad and anyone not experienced enough to work on certain systems should not wether they have every qualification required or not
the government allowed this system so everyone has to play by the rules ie to the requirments of bs7671
If you take pride in your work and put the required effort and time why does it matter which way you became qualified its the system get over it

 

[RWJ]

I've got a bike you can ride if you like, it's got a basket and bell's and thing's to make it look good
I;d give it to you if I could but I borrowed it

Classic Floyd..... Sweet

 

[SPARTYKUS]

I'm not here to debate against qualified sparks.

My main argument against this thread is that it is wrong that it is so easy to jump out of bed one morning and say I'm going to be an electrician and bingo 4 weeks down the line you are calling yourself an electrician.

We all know there is alot to learn. Now for someone to do that and exclaim to the whole world they can do my job just aswell because they have the right ticket (NICEIC, NAPIT etc) is just wrong. Without your technical certs I just don't believe in it.

The system is wrong. The niceic, napit and elecsa don't give a damn who is doing the work aslong as its going through them!!!! its all about this ££££££££££££.

I love napits one; the differents between defined scope and full scope is that defined scope only relates to part p...whereas full scope relates to other sectors commercial and industrial!!!! LOL You don't need to be registered with anyone to do commercial or industrial its a bloody scam. BS7671, 2391 and a level 3 qualification should be minimum. full stop!!!!

The market is getting flooded with domestic installers....absolutely flooded with them. This puts real tradesman out of business.

Am I wrong in this????

....hello -- yes you are wrong (in the business bit) because if you do a better job than anyone else (which is what I always attempt to aim for) then you cannot loose. Therefore you, as an individual will not be put out of business. Like was posted earlier, just keep doing the excellent work I am sure you do and pick up the butchers' work as well ..... there's plenty out there to fix!

 

[bugsy]

Classic Floyd..... Sweet

Used to play football with them! ( pressed ham spreaders)!!