Should those seeking Fast Track routes into the trade be belittled ?

[SparksWill Fly]

I seems that resentment, ego and selfishness are at play on some construction trade related forums when ever the question of fast track courses pops up. Again on "some" forums, i get a sense of..

"I had to do such and such, so i don't even care if the fast track course was any good anyway. Or even if it's the only option some folk have because i had to go through this certain method, so therefore everybody else should have to, I don't care if my comments put folks off wanting to do well for themselves, even if fast track is their only option, because my own ego and selfishness is more important than their life"

Of course no one would ever admit that the reason they say such and such comment is because they are stroking their ego and are selfish, they will just say that it simply has to do with their concern as to the quality of workmanship that folks have after completing fast track courses. And I'm sure this is true for some, but even for those whos opinion is based solely on the quality of the workmanship of a "fast-tracker" they should still be considerate of the fact that other folks are entitled to become tradesmen just as much as they are, only they don't have the same available options you have/had in order to get there. But certain other users who post on construction forums (i'm not just picking on this forum but any tradesman related forum) I feel, post comments simply with an intent to be negative in a way that mirrors what i explained above with regards to "Resentment" "Ego" "Selfishness"

 

[tuckerkop81]

Thought i chuck this in, i am open minded so forgive me if im missing the point........

Surely it doesnt matter how long the course is, be it 6 weeks, or 3 years, as long as the person who counts themselves as a qualified spark has the quals, experience and is competant to back it up then i certanly wouldnt argue with him/her if theyd have took a days course. ( I know, not poss )

I couldnt agree more with the post that said ' if you had the opportunity to do the 6 week course back then, you would! '

I also couldnt agree more that having all the quals in the world makes you a spark.

 

[SparksWill Fly]

I can understand those who have done all the hard work, i.e. gone through the college route for 3 years or longer with the days on site etc and especially those who have been apprentices under hard to put up with tradesmen.

I have worked on a few building sites and i don't think i could of put up with the attitudes of some of the workers if i was to of worked as an apprentice under them for example.

But my problem is not that i want to do the shortest easiest course possible and then claim to be as good as guys who have slogged their guts out and put the years in both learning and on the job.
My problem is that i can't get an apprenticeship.

For those of you who don't like the idea of folks taking fast track courses. And then becoming electricians that way. What would you prefer "them" to do considering "they" can't get an apprenticeship ?

 

[RWJ]

Used to play football with them! ( pressed ham spreaders)!!

Really... You nearly retired then!!!!!

Would have clicked on the thanks button but I've already given you two thanks today.... Don't want the 5days to start talkin!!

 

[simpson93]

im thinking about starting my own course advertiseing "become a fast track teacher and earn 200k in your first year" see how they like it.

 

[DurhamSparky]

just to add to the mix...!!

im not a time served electrician like some of the chaps i meet every day, i never worked as an electrical apprentice! glad as well...!! i still ask questions that could be regarded as "you should know that"

i do have experience on single and 3 phase but i have NEVER installed TRAY or METAL Conduit!

i do agree you cant learn a trade i 6 weeks!! and im against them courses but every one is different! (i never undertook a 6 week course either by the way before you jump on it)

i work safe, i work legal, and i work to the regs.

I KNOW MY LIMITS!!!! (unlike some)

 

[bugsy]

Used to play over Epping top line up Dave Gilmour, ricky wright, nic mason ( bloody useless ) steve marrriot, clem clemson, gerry shirley, sharky ( roadie) me big tel
Roger waters ( when he could be bothered ) and others I can't remember

 

[bugsy]

just to add to the mix...!!

im not a time served electrician like some of the chaps i meet every day, i never worked as an electrical apprentice! glad as well...!! i still ask questions that could be regarded as "you should know that"

i do have experience on single and 3 phase but i have NEVER installed TRAY or METAL Conduit!

i do agree you cant learn a trade i 6 weeks!! and im against them courses but every one is different! (i never undertook a 6 week course either by the way before you jump on it)

i work safe, i work legal, and i work to the regs.

I KNOW MY LIMITS!!!! (unlike some)

And your a well respected member of the forum ,

 

[Hawk81]

Thought i chuck this in, i am open minded so forgive me if im missing the point........

Surely it doesnt matter how long the course is, be it 6 weeks, or 3 years, as long as the person who counts themselves as a qualified spark has the quals, experience and is competant to back it up then i certanly wouldnt argue with him/her if theyd have took a days course. ( I know, not poss )

I couldnt agree more with the post that said ' if you had the opportunity to do the 6 week course back then, you would! '

I also couldnt agree more that having all the quals in the world makes you a spark.

The only problem I see here is how does someone who has just finished a 6 week coarse have experience?

 

[tuckerkop81]

Whos to say they havent been on site for the past 5 years saving up to do the course??

 

[Hawk81]

I seems that resentment, ego and selfishness are at play on some construction trade related forums when ever the question of fast track courses pops up. Again on "some" forums, i get a sense of..

"I had to do such and such, so i don't even care if the fast track course was any good anyway. Or even if it's the only option some folk have because i had to go through this certain method, so therefore everybody else should have to, I don't care if my comments put folks off wanting to do well for themselves, even if fast track is their only option, because my own ego and selfishness is more important than their life"

Of course no one would ever admit that the reason they say such and such comment is because they are stroking their ego and are selfish, they will just say that it simply has to do with their concern as to the quality of workmanship that folks have after completing fast track courses. And I'm sure this is true for some, but even for those whos opinion is based solely on the quality of the workmanship of a "fast-tracker" they should still be considerate of the fact that other folks are entitled to become tradesmen just as much as they are, only they don't have the same available options you have/had in order to get there. But certain other users who post on construction forums (i'm not just picking on this forum but any tradesman related forum) I feel, post comments simply with an intent to be negative in a way that mirrors what i explained above with regards to "Resentment" "Ego" "Selfishness"

I think you are way off the mark here. I personally did not do a fast track coarse I am a time served fully qualified electrician. I started at the bottom and had all the worst jobs to do for long enough. When anyone comes on this forum regardless of their trainning I and many others do our best to help. Yes I do get frustrated at some people who say they have all the quals and are Electricians but yet they do not have a clue how to do the most simple of tasks and obviously do not understand the regs. It is nothng to do with my ego, just simply frustration that another spark who knows what he is doing is missing out on this work. You would not want a doctor performing surgery on you that done a fast track medical coarse. That is dangerous. Electricity is dangerous. Lets not forget this!!! It is not something that people with no experience should be doing unsupervised. Simple as. So if they do get some short sharp answer maybe that is a good thing!!

 

[Hawk81]

Whos to say they havent been on site for the past 5 years saving up to do the course??

Thats a completely different matter. The previous posts were talking about guys leaving the office job to do a 6 week coarse.

 

[bugsy]

I can understand those who have done all the hard work, i.e. gone through the college route for 3 years or longer with the days on site etc and especially those who have been apprentices under hard to put up with tradesmen.

I have worked on a few building sites and i don't think i could of put up with the attitudes of some of the workers if i was to of worked as an apprentice under them for example.

But my problem is not that i want to do the shortest easiest course possible and then claim to be as good as guys who have slogged their guts out and put the years in both learning and on the job.
My problem is that i can't get an apprenticeship.

For those of you who don't like the idea of folks taking fast track courses. And then becoming electricians that way. What would you prefer "them" to do considering "they" can't get an apprenticeship ?

The reason you can't get an apprenticeship is because there is a general lack of work, personally if I was going to change my employment route I would research the particular vocation I was intersted in .
If companies are not taking on apprentices (lat's face it there cheap labour ) there must be a reason . but this won't stop the so called quick route colleges taking people for mugs

 

[tuckerkop81]

Ahhh, i getcha, well in that case, NO WAY wwould i let one of them touch my house.

 

[sparky1502]

I can understand those who have done all the hard work, i.e. gone through the college route for 3 years or longer with the days on site etc and especially those who have been apprentices under hard to put up with tradesmen.

I have worked on a few building sites and i don't think i could of put up with the attitudes of some of the workers if i was to of worked as an apprentice under them for example.
But my problem is not that i want to do the shortest easiest course possible and then claim to be as good as guys who have slogged their guts out and put the years in both learning and on the job.
My problem is that i can't get an apprenticeship.

For those of you who don't like the idea of folks taking fast track courses. And then becoming electricians that way. What would you prefer "them" to do considering "they" can't get an apprenticeship ?

you are able to gain an apprenticeship.....im 28 and i got one with full college funding. the truth is some people dont want to attend college for 3 years because i cant afford it or i have kids and a wife...well so what! my dad said if something is easy everyone will do it and its true once they condenced the course in to 6 weeks they fill the courses up because these wanna be sparks what a quick fix....I love the trade im in and i work 6 days a week just so me and my family can survive untill im done at college yes its tough and tiring and yes i miss my family but the good will out! u cannot learn a trade in 6 chuffin weeks think back to the old apprenticeships 4 and 5 years long why because they learned to do the job right!

 

[honda127]

i served my time in a large manufacturing company doing electrical maintenance , and mostly fault finding and installation of machinery , working on 3phase mostly. Done 3years at college got my 2360 part one and part 2 , company said i didnt need do do a nvq as they didnt need it ,I have done very little domestic work so i dnt know if im a electricain or ot NOT LOL