Sign off private work

[Mark2009]

I dont think you will find a registered electrician willing to sign off someone elses work unless he has been there every step of the way, as Part P does not permit this.

17th Edition is not a legal requirement but Part P is.

You wont get one without the other.

If you speak with Part P ECA you do not need to take the Part P exam, they will check two jobs one big one small and as long as you pass there is no need to sit Part P. You could issue a (DCM4) FORM to the client. If i am correct Part P is building regs and testing is about competence any work carried out must be check.

Thanks

Mark

 

[flukey]

If you speak with Part P ECA you do not need to take the Part P exam, they will check two jobs one big one small and as long as you pass there is no need to sit Part P. You could issue a (DCM4) FORM to the client. If i am correct Part P is building regs and testing is about competence any work carried out must be check.

Thanks

Mark

there is no part p exam, just a registration if you are a competent person

 

[Des 56]

It is a sorry state of affairs when the industry is being confused by this part p building regs( applicable to electrical installation in dwellings )and the confusion amongst people when they are assuming or being told it has any relation to becoming an electrician
You can become a fully qualified electrician with recognised industry qualifications and never come into contact with the world of part p
Part p is not an electrical qualification


If you are qualified as an electrician and decide to join a scheme it will then permit you to self certify your own installation work in dwellings
It is not permitted to sign off others work if you did not install the work
You may be permitted to test the installation at 1st and then 2nd fix and sign the test results section of their own installation certificate
You would then still not be permitted to notify the work,which is what part p is about in the first place

 

[harvey]

And to top it all we are the only trade that is checked once a year and have to pay for the privilege. still not sure should I take Part P or not it all seems a bit of a con to me

 

[Mark2009]

It is a sorry state of affairs when the industry is being confused by this part p building regs( applicable to electrical installation in dwellings )and the confusion amongst people when they are assuming or being told it has any relation to becoming an electrician
You can become a fully qualified electrician with recognised industry qualifications and never come into contact with the world of part p
Part p is not an electrical qualification


If you are qualified as an electrician and decide to join a scheme it will then permit you to self certify your own installation work in dwellings
It is not permitted to sign off others work if you did not install the work
You may be permitted to test the installation at 1st and then 2nd fix and sign the test results section of their own installation certificate
You would then still not be permitted to notify the work,which is what part p is about in the first place

Hi
If you cannot sign off the work your self you can ask someone else to do this for you only if you employ this person within your company, no one has to be Part P registered they can work via the N.I.C.E.I.C GREEN FORM which means you are working towards becoming N.I.C Registered, if the client is not happy with the work you have carried out then the client has the right to ask the N.I.C.E.I.C to inspect your work but the client will be charged for this.

When you have a kitchen fitter that can sign off work then all i can say that our field is in a mess and its all about money for a dreadful Government , YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND HOW ELECTRICITY WORKS BEFORE YOU SHOULD EVER BE ALLOWED TO INSTALL.


How many accidents per year on a building site today 72 deaths per year use to be 2 deaths why? How many accidents in the house with deaths, last count was 10 why? not by lose cables but damaged cables how many people today still don't use earths, an earth can save your life.

I don't agree with other trades who have never been to college being allowed to sign of work it is down to them that all theses new laws were passed through Government because of the death of a MP'S DAUGHTER. The N.I.C will make you take your 17th edition within a year of joining there scheme.

Thanks

Mark

 

[flukey]

And to top it all we are the only trade that is checked once a year and have to pay for the privilege. still not sure should I take Part P or not it all seems a bit of a con to me

hi harvey,
you are right there it is a big con but something you need to be part of to enable you to work in domestic dewllings unhindered
the biggest con though is paying your labc to send out one of their people who isnt an electrician and is not even sure what you have done and charging £100 + for the privilege

 

[Spudnik]

Mark,

Im sure you know, but nearly ALL domestic installation work must be notified to the LABC which can either be done direct, pay a large fee, and they will test etc, or you can belong to a scheme.

It has nothing to do with the NICEIC, its the government and Part P which must be complied with.

NONE of the schemes allow a registered person to sign off an un-registered persons work. Again, its not the scheme providers, its the government.

Part P was a long time coming, even before the accident with the MP's daughter. This just forced it through quicker, hence the mess it is in now.

 

[harvey]

Thanks for the reply, the laugh is the general public don't know about signing off your work and giving them a copy so all that does in some cases is make it worse. we as electricians have to charge the going rate and in a lot of cases the customer thinks it's expensive so they say well I will leave that and then the next thing you know the old man or next door neighbour
has done the work.

Harvey

 

[Spudnik]

Thanks for the reply, the laugh is the general public don't know about signing off your work and giving them a copy so all that does in some cases is make it worse. we as electricians have to charge the going rate and in a lot of cases the customer thinks it's expensive so they say well I will leave that and then the next thing you know the old man or next door neighbour
has done the work.

Harvey

Im afraid thats just how it is and there is not a lot we can do about it, as at the end of the day, its our name on the cert.

 

[vini]

It is a sorry state of affairs when the industry is being confused by this part p building regs( applicable to electrical installation in dwellings )and the confusion amongst people when they are assuming or being told it has any relation to becoming an electrician
You can become a fully qualified electrician with recognised industry qualifications and never come into contact with the world of part p
Part p is not an electrical qualification


If you are qualified as an electrician and decide to join a scheme it will then permit you to self certify your own installation work in dwellings
It is not permitted to sign off others work if you did not install the work
You may be permitted to test the installation at 1st and then 2nd fix and sign the test results section of their own installation certificate
You would then still not be permitted to notify the work,which is what part p is about in the first place

Even more confusing in Scotland. I hadn't heard of Part P until I did some work in England a few years ago. We have different building regs. Easier to stick to the IEE wiring regs for me.

I also think if someone is unsure then the C and G 2392 is the way to go. If you are not used to testing the 2391 is very hard going and the fail rate seems to back up the idea that it wasn't just me.