Solar panels - no brainer for us?

[Spinball]

We can do you a green deal assessment also and see if you qualify for some Eco funding you may get your boiler done free

I spoke to the Energy Saving Trust today.
To get assistance with either insulation or boilers, you need to be in particular need of financial help, and we're not drawing any benefits so we don't qualify. Probably not by a long way.
Also the scheme is quite complicated and not a particularly good deal at between 6 and 8% interest.
I'll be giving it a miss, I think.

 

[jason121]

Have you looked at ASHP or Bio mass using help from the RHI.
Funding is over 7 years and mounts up to around £10,000

 

[sedgy34]

you will get something based on an assessment, you could do green deal too on the rest dont forget the repayments are taken from the savings produced after the works and there is no upfront cost to yourself and the Green deal is on you meter not you personally like a loan of say 5%
you should go with solar pv no matter what and ditch the solar thermal idea which isnt worth the cost compared to the savings. unless the RHI implement the FIT on it

 

[Eco Deal]

Well if you had EWI as a primary measure then a boiler would get ECO funds too .

the green deal is also tied to the electric meter and not you plus there is a LOSE credit check so it helps alot of people out....

what walls have you got ?

if they are soild then you could get eco funding towards the wall then the boiler and other measures become avilable under ECO too.

this includes
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[Eco Deal]

ECO funding is extra help toward the green deal so say the EWI was 10k eco funds might give you say 5k (depending on the savings)

so you could either pay the other 5k cash or pay it on the green deal.

 

[Spinball]

you will get something based on an assessment

I read this page
Green Deal and Energy Company Obligation (ECO) - Grants and savings - Energy Saving Trust
phoned the number on it and was given the clear impression that grants were available only to people drawing particular benefits.
If any grant is means tested, we would be considered having enough means to pay for it ourselves.
If it's a grant available to everyone, then why isn't that clear on the site? Because I intend to get the cavity walls filled (if they are not already) and get solar PV unless it's unexpectedly expensive. But I also need to address the gas bill and rather than shove two new boilers in there directly heating the hot water, radiators and pool, I also want to find a way to reduce our gas bill directly (in addition to ensuring we have sufficient insulation). £12-£13 a day is a lot for gas. And most of that is on heating.

If solar thermal is not a great idea until there is some kind of FIT equivalent then I'll likely wait for that to happen, but I do want to plan for that with whatever solution we put in in the mean time.

I do like the idea of having mains pressure, clean hot water. If it financially makes sense then a thermal store might be the way to go. There is very little information on the net about them, though. A lot seem to be in the low hundreds of litres.

 

[sedgy34]

there are a few things you can do rather than solar thermal i would have underfloor heatiing this is set at 50deg and more efficient than rads blasting out 80deg that will cut your gas bill down
we do UFH too

 

[lancselec]

have you looked at the baxi ecogen boiler a micro chp boiler that produces 1kw of export electricity which falls within FIT so you can get a bit more while the boiler running they are expensive but depending on your usage could give a payback.

 

[Worcester]

@lancselec - have you seen the price for those units!!!!

I couldn't make the ROI stack up even with the FiT

 

[lancselec]

did say they were expensive worcester !

4000 hrs p.a. is breakeven i think

 

[Spinball]

there are a few things you can do rather than solar thermal i would have underfloor heatiing this is set at 50deg and more efficient than rads blasting out 80deg that will cut your gas bill down
we do UFH too

If you want to suggest to the wife that we rip up all the floors in the house, can I video it?

 

[jason121]

dont have to. retro fit underfloor heating by laying on existing floor.only problem will rise the floor by about 30mm

 

[Spinball]

dont have to. retro fit underfloor heating by laying on existing floor.only problem will rise the floor by about 30mm

Underfloor heating is not an option. Too much expense and disruption. The former owners put down really nice floor tiles and I have no intention of digging them up.

 

[Eco Deal]

Spin ball

ECO funding is for

1. People on low incomes HHCRO
2. hard to treat properties CERO
3. low income areas CSCO

so no its not just for people on benefits

 

[sedgy34]

That's what I've Been trying to get across