Spurs above kitchen work surfaces.

[pritch]

About to start a contract monday for fitted kitchens and ive heard the guys who are doing the sparky work at the moment just put sockets inside cuboards or behind the appliances. Now ive always put a spur above and a flex outlet plate below for easy local isolation.
The difference between the two regarding time is a hell of alot and ive got a feeling im going to get the kitchen fitter up my arse.
Ive done my 17th a while back but if i remember i'm sure you should always put a spur above and outlet below and putting a socket inside a kitchen unit or behind the appliance is not to regs?
cheers

 

[mylocalelectric]

@sparky3366 Why can we not fix to a kitchen units?

 

[sparky3366]

they now have to be attatched to the fabric of the building...was in the part p last year. we were all saying the same thing...
http://www.iee.org/Publish/WireRegs/PartP-WM-Autumn2004.pdf

 

[mylocalelectric]

The Part P? The building regs you mean? I personally don't see that fixing a socket to a fixed unit that can only be removed by the use of tools is a problem. I would love to know where and who have said this can't be done!

 

[telectrix]

solution...... put the bloody appliances outside, IP rated double pole sockets. more room in the kitchen. woman washes in the back yard just like my gran used to.

 

[sparky3366]

As long as you dont mind the tin bath in the yard...saves having to bond it in the special locations...hehehehe

 

[nickblake]

It does say where practable , i must admit i always try and attach to the main wall cased or othe wise kitchens can be a pain , i will always put an isolator above the work top as enginneer 54 has said pain trying to get an appliance out , and when you look at the statistics for appliances catching fire its scary 4 in our area in the past 6 months , and who the hell is going to try and switch the supply off if the things on fire by pulling it out one quick switch simple

 

[sparky3366]

I may well be wrong (for a change...not) but we were told it on the part p last year...but it was only what we were told

 

[mylocalelectric]

Another thought! If we install all kitchen appliances in the living room then they would not come under special locations and simply plug 'urm all in lol!

 

[mylocalelectric]

Think I'm gonna write a blog about this, hopefully clear up any hear say, what's, if's and but's

 

[telectrix]

Another thought! If we install all kitchen appliances in the living room then they would not come under special locations and simply plug 'urm all in lol!

can't have that. her inddors doing the washing in the living room when top gear's on the telly. naaaah.

 

[mylocalelectric]

can't have that. her inddors doing the washing in the living room when top gear's on the telly. naaaah.

lol! Second thoughts put them in the bedroom, Kill two birds with one stone so to speak hahahahaha....

 

[nickblake]

Reg 5.2.2. of the electricians guide to the building regs locations of accessories in kitchens general guidance wiring accessories socket outlets etc should preferably mounted to the fabric of the building and not the kitchen furniture

 

[sparky3366]

I know...put the washer in the bathroom!!! erm...

 

[nickblake]

Heres and intresting one island in the middle of the kitchen no building fabric except floor but to low to comply as should be min 450 mm mmmmmm

 

[telectrix]

put the washing in the bath. throw in a cat, followed by my rotty. the washing gets done, the dog gets fed.