Spurs above kitchen work surfaces.

[pritch]

About to start a contract monday for fitted kitchens and ive heard the guys who are doing the sparky work at the moment just put sockets inside cuboards or behind the appliances. Now ive always put a spur above and a flex outlet plate below for easy local isolation.
The difference between the two regarding time is a hell of alot and ive got a feeling im going to get the kitchen fitter up my arse.
Ive done my 17th a while back but if i remember i'm sure you should always put a spur above and outlet below and putting a socket inside a kitchen unit or behind the appliance is not to regs?
cheers

 

[ian1511]

my understanding is that you don't fit inside units so if kitchen is ever ripped out an renewed a spark wouldn't be required,unless alterations or additions are required.

 

[SirKit Breaker]

If you can't fit outlets to cabinets, then the majority of the floor standing appliances won't be able to go back to the wall flush with the units/worktop. Not unless you chop them into the wall, even then some appliances don't have any room behind them, even for this arrangement...


worse comes to worse in this situation chop the plug off and fit a flex outlet plate. its fused from the spur!!!
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Don't go chopping plugs off new appliances. The manufacturers will love you for it when they turn up under warranty to fix something, and turn round to the customer and tell them that you have invalidated the warranty cos you chopped the plug off......and they will believe me.

 

[nickblake]

Hi Nick Blake, Thanks for that! Do remember that it is only a guide lol! I do not tend to take these things too serious, It will grind you up inside in the end hahahahaha..... Pick out the words, "preferably" and "furniture" Quite vague too don't you think? Or is it just like I always say, down to interpretation? lol!

My Site guides are in my van and can't be bothered to out in the cold to get them Just keep my full regs indoors!

Quite aware they are only a guide, and fully understand the meaning of the word preferably and what they meanwhen they say furniture ,i think i made the point about that in the previouse point to this one

 

[cbw]

My mate Mr Wayne the kitchen cowboy showed me today the correct way to do a ring extension.........................
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OH AND TO FINISH OFF INVITE DURHAM TO DO THE PLUMBING OF THE WASTE!

 

[pritch]

Thanks for the advice pritch, I am gonna stick my neck out here a little and say I think I speak for most of us electricians on here, With regards to the "ur own fitters" I am sure they are very good at fitting kitchens but please leave the electrics to us! We will tell the fitter where and how the cables and accessories can and can't be fitted

Maybe next time I work along side a kitchen fitter I may advice them as to where to fit their units

Advise? I didnt have any to give you on your subject and if thats what you want start your own thread.
Your wrong about the fitters, we work for them,they tell us how they want stuff doing. Its no good me knocking the crap out of the wall when the next sparky puts the sockets in the units in quarter the time.If its ok with the regs which seems to be the case i with follow suit and stay in work.

 

[andyb]

Don't go chopping plugs off new appliances. The manufacturers will love you for it when they turn up under warranty to fix something, and turn round to the customer and tell them that you have invalidated the warranty cos you chopped the plug off......and they will believe me.

This is a myth perpetuated by kitchen fitters who know no better, and the people who deliver white goods who are too lazy to connect appliances to existing flex outlets.
Providing it's done correctly there is nothing wrong with cutting the plug off, I had a customer call out an engineer for a f/freezer I fitted in her new kitchen to a flex outlet (the freezer was tripping the rcd)
The engineer came and tested it without batting an eyelid.

 

[mattmoo1974]

Hard wire it under the worktop and FCU above.
If you leave the plug on, That fuse could go and you ve the App out to change a fuse you dont need under the worktop.
Discrimination the protective device closest to the fault goes first?
A kitchen fitter iv worked for in the past(labouring)
FCU/single outlet in the back of unit closest to app, But he makes sure he tells the person having it fitted about this, Not so handy if you buy the house and dont know tho

 

[Paul.M]

This is a myth perpetuated by kitchen fitters who know no better, and the people who deliver white goods who are too lazy to connect appliances to existing flex outlets.
Providing it's done correctly there is nothing wrong with cutting the plug off, I had a customer call out an engineer for a f/freezer I fitted in her new kitchen to a flex outlet (the freezer was tripping the rcd)
The engineer came and tested it without batting an eyelid.

It is a myth and a well used loop hole to get out of repairing goods under the warranty.

The only way you can invalidate the warranty by cutting the plug off is if the fault occurred by cutting the plug off. My wife works for a world wide company and deals with warranty matters with customers before it gets handed to their solicitors. I'm sure she can give me some legal text to post up if anybody wants it, may help you fight your point.

 

[nickblake]

Does it actually say in the warrenty small print warrenty voide if plug removed ,if it doesnt then cant see how it can be after all if the plug gets damaged and is replaced doesnt mean the workings of the appliance is effected and if its tested in accordance to the manufacturers instructions then how can the warrenty be voide the plug is the means of supplying electricicty to the appliance and not the way it cools your food or washes the dishes

 

[domestic spark]

Don't go chopping plugs off new appliances. The manufacturers will love you for it when they turn up under warranty to fix something, and turn round to the customer and tell them that you have invalidated the warranty cos you chopped the plug off......and they will believe me.

i have heard of that one actually! your right