The future of Part P in question?

[IQ Electrical]

Blog -

Interesting, looks like a full BR review, whether it brings change...

 

[millwall ken]

Blog -

Interesting, looks like a full BR review, whether it brings change...

Whatever they do, it'll just be another money spinner for the big boys. Do you think that they will ACTUALLY ask anyone at the coal face for a simple idea or two?
Still long overdue, and may it die the nasty death that it deserves. ANY work that involves testing and the issuing of certification, maybe with the exception of a PIR - then I'm sorry but it should be mandatory that you are 2391. Anyone agree? Disagree? Think I should be confined to some sort of establishment?

 

[IQ Electrical]

I see your point but really, ALL work involves testing and certification.

I want to see decent fines for householders that use non-notifying electricians and a good campaign to publicise it!

 

[millwall ken]

I see your point but really, ALL work involves testing and certification.

I want to see decent fines for householders that use non-notifying electricians and a good campaign to publicise it!

Yer, you are right because all work is supposed to come with a cert, be it minor works, installation cert or a pir. I think that a good way to get it though people's thick heads would be via higher insurance premiums for uncertified works.

 

[Octopus]

Its all very well having these schemes and pressing for better qualifications, etc, but when are those in charge ACTUALLY going to do something about the unregistered cowboys?

 

[Des 56]

The Marx brothers, Laurel + Hardy and Part p ,3 of the most comical acts in history

My veiw differs a little with Kens
I believe all domestic installation should be open to any Tom Dick or Harry who thinks they can install (just as well,because installation monitoring is un enforceable)

The assurance of standards could be via the Pir

Make it mandatory for house sales
Make it thorough and make the issuing of a report exclusive to someone with the 2391 and PI insurance
Make that report compulsory to be logged with the government and get rid of all the schemes

No more visual con tricks
No more hoodwinked customers
No more Qs oversigning,just truthfull competent assessments that have teeth
If they are negative then, reduced charges or penalties at the point of sale,increased insurance etc

 

[millwall ken]

The Marx brothers, Laurel + Hardy and Part p ,3 of the most comical acts in history

My veiw differs a little with Kens
I believe all domestic installation should be open to any Tom Dick or Harry who thinks they can install (just as well,because installation monitoring is un enforceable)

The assurance of standards could be via the Pir

Make it mandatory for house sales
Make it thorough and make the issuing of a report exclusive to someone with the 2391 and PI insurance
Make that report compulsory to be logged with the government and get rid of all the schemes

No more visual con tricks
No more hoodwinked customers
No more Qs oversigning,just truthfull competent assessments that have teeth
If they are negative then, reduced charges or penalties at the point of sale,increased insurance etc

Sounds a like a good idea.

 

[Guest123]

I would love to see a level playing field between all the schemes, with fair advertising for all.

The mafia have ruled the roost for too long and need bringing down a peg or two.

 

[millwall ken]

Here here Lenny.

 

[Jimmy Boy]

If you were to go the route of "qualified" rather than Competent to validate someone's ability you would still have to have a system in place to check their current competency, or you will have part time or retired or semi retired sparks doing work and they may not be up to speed even if they have their 17th.
ATB S

 

[accordfire]

Blog -

Interesting, looks like a full BR review, whether it brings change...

This has been the feeling for a while now - the fabled 2013 review.

I'm disappointed they're not taking the very considerable (and informed) advice offered to the committee(s) regarding Part B - regarding mandatory fitting of sprinklers in new builds. Further I find is disillusioning that they are still clinging to the option that it is possible to have such an idiotic thing as a "safe refuge" in the middle of a building burning hotter than hell.

Statistically, there is NO safe place in a building on fire. And to assume that disabled persons will have "at least some chance" in such a refuge, is, in my humble if outspoken, opinion tantamount to discrimination of the very worst sort. In a typical domestic setting a suitable sprinkler system could be fitted for a gross cost of no more than a few hundred during the build - WHY, oh WHY is it not mandatory?

They have missed more than a trick there, and once more in the absence of any recent fire related disaster NOTHING IS DONE to enshrine fire protection in LAW. Shame I can't call them arseholes in this forum!

Part P.

Well, at least they've got the clue we're not happy, huh?

However, I would not expect breaths to be held for any reasonable changes. The only change likely to take place to the requirements for compliance with Part P will be those that cost nothing to implement, or which do not put any further overhead on Building Control.

One change that is likely, I would have thought, is that no new build will be saleable without a full EIC, issued by a recognised Part P Sparks. Yeah, I know that's the idea now, but..........

Part of the problem here is that BC aren't electricians, and they're being asked in some sense to police specialist trades, for which they have no experience. This is essentially the same reasoning that Gas work went out initially to Corgi then to Gas Safe.

There isn't law available now to mandate any scheme provider to police the work by inspection either.

It is a mess without answer, really - because short of policing every bit of electrical work ever completed, the only way it can be policed is by putting the onus on the home owner/user. Even assuming a thorough audit of every electrician in the country each year, you'd still need to have awareness that "a person" was doing electrical work first.

Alternatively, do we police manufacturers? Well, we could - in terms of registering whom every part made was sold to, just the same way TVs are sold these days - but......it would simply create a black market for products, and open up the whole product safety issue again.

Fining home owners is all very well too, but how do you catch them any better than we do, or can, now?

No easy answers.....

 

[pushrod]

The Marx brothers, Laurel + Hardy and Part p ,3 of the most comical acts in history

My veiw differs a little with Kens
I believe all domestic installation should be open to any Tom Dick or Harry who thinks they can install (just as well,because installation monitoring is un enforceable)

The assurance of standards could be via the Pir

Make it mandatory for house sales
Make it thorough and make the issuing of a report exclusive to someone with the 2391 and PI insurance
Make that report compulsory to be logged with the government and get rid of all the schemes

No more visual con tricks
No more hoodwinked customers
No more Qs oversigning,just truthfull competent assessments that have teeth
If they are negative then, reduced charges or penalties at the point of sale,increased insurance etc

VOTE FOR DES, VOTE FOR DES.


man, you talk some sense.

 

[IQ Electrical]

My emphasis should really have been on publicity to educate the public, surely there aren't many that haven't heard of CORGI or Gas Safe now?

It's taken years but people seem to understand that if gas is involved then a member of the above must be selected.

Maybe we could have such a system, almost licensing, that's what I'd like to see.

 

[Des 56]

I concede I do rant on like a successfull politician
but,remember
A succesfull politician is a failure in any other walk of life mind you

 

[jase]

ANY work that involves testing and the issuing of certification, maybe with the exception of a PIR - then I'm sorry but it should be mandatory that you are 2391. Anyone agree? Disagree? Think I should be confined to some sort of establishment?[/QUOTE]


It was always my understanding that electrical work carried out to bs7671 included testing and inspection, whats all this 2391 all the time these days??????? 2391 used to be a more in depth knowledge of testing and inspecting but these days people seem to think you shouldnt even know what a a test probe is without having prior done some sort of college course- more expense(sighs)