The future of Part P in question?

[telectrix]

but, surely, the loss in sales to joe public would be compensated by joe public calling us in and then us buying the gear they would have bought. i would not restrict the sale of faceplates, light fittings etc. as they are jobs which could be done DIY. as for the sheds, they make enough profit anyway. never seen b&q selling gas boilers

 

[spsparks]

qualified experienced electricians are under valued. We need the same exposure as the corgi guys got in the past. Niceic, napit and elecsa should be doing more campaigning on our behalf because they take enough of our cash and seem to do very little with it.

 

[pushrod]

but, surely, the loss in sales to joe public would be compensated by joe public calling us in and then us buying the gear they would have bought. i would not restrict the sale of faceplates, light fittings etc. as they are jobs which could be done DIY. as for the sheds, they make enough profit anyway. never seen b&q selling gas boilers

I agree, yes there would be some black marketing of restricted items, but the the vast majority of the public would quickly come to realise that fitting a new circuit etc,etc is not a job for them. It would be dead easy to do as well. Even screwfix has gone a little bit down that path with their "electrifix" branch.

BTW telectrix, your signature is brill

 

[lj.l]

agree Ive been in a house fire and sprinklers would have saved more than the smoke dectectors that told me the house was on fire. and it would have give me time to get my disabled mother out without endangering me or my brother

 

[Jimmy Boy]

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BTW telectrix, your signature is brill

That sig is hilarious...

 

[accordfire]

but, surely, the loss in sales to joe public would be compensated by joe public calling us in and then us buying the gear they would have bought. i would not restrict the sale of faceplates, light fittings etc. as they are jobs which could be done DIY. as for the sheds, they make enough profit anyway. never seen b&q selling gas boilers

No, perhaps not, but you do see Screwupfix selling them, and many small trade outlets too - the justification being that of course you'll get your local gas safe man to fit it.

I've no issue with restricting sales to the trade - just the certain knowledge that it would be taking on the might of every last wholesaler and manufacturer out there, and who would also be putting their prices up drastically too, to account for any reduction in volume.

And before you know it, the average cost of an additional socket outlet is £400. To be sure, that would work in favour of climate control, but, I just don't think there's any way back there.

Realistically, if a re-wire was priced to a point where it was costing £30k for an average domestic, how many fifty year old installations would we end up working on?

Economically, the money just isn't there to bear any of that kind of change, and I don't think we'll see restricted sales in our lifetimes.

 

[accordfire]

agree Ive been in a house fire and sprinklers would have saved more than the smoke dectectors that told me the house was on fire. and it would have give me time to get my disabled mother out without endangering me or my brother

Yup. Fire safety, in particular, is my passion, I guess, rather than just a job - and it's scary sometimes seeing the ways and speed in which fire spreads.

I've long felt that sprinklers should be a mandatory fitting to new builds - both resi and commercial.

A simple multi-zone system wouldn't cost the earth in any house, needn't use any specialist parts not available now, and could make a real difference to saving lives, property, and more. Quite simply, a few runs of pipe round the building in the ceilings - sprinkler heads in each room, and zone controlled by a smoke detector in each area. That's all it would take in any house.

And to be honest with you, the issue of how to make safe disabled persons is fundamental - and it's always been ignored. The DDA doesn't really go far enough in terms of fire safety, and neither to building regs.

And it's more important than ever, now we're returning higher and higher numbers of physically maimed men and women from the various wars we're tied up in.

 

[jase]

a step in the right direction would be restricting sales of electrical equipment. we already have ID age requirements for cigs. and alcohol. why not have all qualified, competent sparks carry ID card proving that they are qualified/competent, similar to a JIB card. No card, No Sale.

and what would they deem as qualified? I am C+G 2360 (2 nights a week for 3 years) and 17th edition update qualified, but as i have not passed an AM2 or an NVQ3 aswell, the JIB will only give me an Adult Trainee card when i do my CSCS.

 

[ezzzekiel]

cant see the problem myself, i think partp works perfectly

 

[IQ Electrical]

cant see the problem myself, i think partp works perfectly

I'm looking for the 'smilie' !

 

[ezzzekiel]

lol )))))

 

[IQ Electrical]

lol )))))

That's better!

 

[pushrod]

never seen b&q selling gas boilers

No, perhaps not, but you do see Screwupfix selling them, and many small trade outlets too - the justification being that of course you'll get your local gas safe man to fit it.

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Interestingly, i was in screwfix today and was held up for ages as the guys in front of me couldn't prove that they were qualified gas safe or the company they were subcontracting for were registered. Obviously in the trade as they had a van outside with name on, but credit to them as they refused to sell the parts without some written proof. Must admit i was surprised as i thought they were going to say something like 'well bring your card in next time'. So, times they are a changin'

 

[IQ Electrical]

Interestingly, i was in screwfix today and was held up for ages as the guys in front of me couldn't prove that they were qualified gas safe or the company they were subcontracting for were registered. Obviously in the trade as they had a van outside with name on, but credit to them as they refused to sell the parts without some written proof. Must admit i was surprised as i thought they were going to say something like 'well bring your card in next time'. So, times they are a changin'

Took me 45 minutes and our NICEIC certificate to get our Screwfix account transferred to electrifix, I was actually quite impressed by their integrity although I didn't say so at the time!

 

[accordfire]

Well fair play to Screwfix then, if that's they way they're playing it. They stand alone on that basis, so far.

Must look into this electricifx business at some point.