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I've done first fix on a house rewire, and am followed by the plumbers putting in a completely new central heating system. I go upstairs to find, under the landing floor:

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A whole bundle of cables sandwiched between heating flow and return pipes!

I've put foam insulation on the pipes to try to protect the cables from the direct heat, but do I need to insist the plumber adjusts the pipes? I don't fancy pulling the cables out to re-route - one of them I'm sure is the upstairs lighting feed continuous from CU downstairs to loft!
 
Is it just me or do others think that plumbing courses should include "mutual detrimental influences" such as what we have to comply with? Maybe they are told/trained in this but clearly the message isn`t getting through.........come across this myself loads.......

Send the loft insulation guys on the same course! Think they're gonna be the ones who burn down a house first due to their complete disregard for our installation methods and recessed lights! :rant:
 
Be very aware because my businenss is electrical repair I have lost count of the ammount of plumbers who have upgraded an electric shower and decided to swap a 7.5kw with a 9kw and because its on a rewireable fuse nothing shows up until 3-4 months later I get a call saying there is a burning smell coming from the switch/pullcord/fuseboard
 
Hi sparkinlee,

It would be worth politely pointing it out to the plumbers, but in the real life world I guess they only care for the time of the install and not for safety.
You could draw it to the attention of the employer / owner and ask how you are going to provide paperwork saying it is safe now?
When you installed the cables they were safe and now the status is a bit different!
Good luck with this one, diplomacy is probably better in the long run rather than a lot of aggro.
Best wishes
Rex
 
Be very aware because my businenss is electrical repair I have lost count of the ammount of plumbers who have upgraded an electric shower and decided to swap a 7.5kw with a 9kw and because its on a rewireable fuse nothing shows up until 3-4 months later I get a call saying there is a burning smell coming from the switch/pullcord/fuseboard
That one of the problems with BS3036s isn`t it.....a bit strong arnt they...........
 
That one of the problems with BS3036s isn`t it.....a bit strong arnt they...........

When i was a lad, they used to classify that 3036 rewireables as ''course'' protection and cartridge fuses/MCBs were ''fine'' protection. To bring the rewireable type fuses up a notch, they slapped the present multiplication factor on those course protected circuits....
 
That one of the problems with BS3036s isn`t it.....a bit strong arnt they...........

Correct but as we all know the extra load shows up any worn or slack connections and then your the guy getting it in tight because the "customer" is jumping up and down and thinks you are holding them to ransom because they cannot live without their shower.
 
I had a similar situation where plumbers had ran heating pipes over cables, thankfully they moved most of them on my request but there is still one boxed in section where they installed plastic (flexible) central heating pipework beside many T&E cables. These pipes moved quite considerably when the heating was on, and could come into contact with the electrical wiring.

I've done my best to separate them by putting a batten the full height of the boxed section with the pipes confined to the left whilst the cables run to the right, unfortunately it means they're a little closer together than I'd like. Does anyone have any other recommendations for how to reduce the impact the heating pipes would have on the wiring in situations such as this ?
 
Its a bit like the chicken and egg thing I got here first no you go first get all the boards up you put in your cables and i will come see weather your in my way Plumbers is that a sparky with his head kicked in
JOKING a bit:54:
 
If there were a proper procedure at training/college level on mutual detrimental influences for all trades then this kind of nonsence wouldn`t occur. Its no good just training sparks on this....it has to be taught to any trade who`s actions can have an effect on anothers work and this isn`t just about inconvenience....as we all know there are serious risks where cables are overheated..loop being one of them........
 
Just to play 'Devil's Advocate' for a second or two...:)
How hot do CH pipes get? Surely not up to 70degC, cable's rated at 70degC, so what's the problem?






To the OP, I'd be urined off as well.
Get the copper basher to move his pipes or as telectrix said use some foam lagging.
 
Just to play 'Devil's Advocate' for a second or two...:)
How hot do CH pipes get? Surely not up to 70degC, cable's rated at 70degC, so what's the problem?






To the OP, I'd be urined off as well.
Get the copper basher to move his pipes or as telectrix said use some foam lagging.
Yes archy but dont forget that anything over 30* and current carrying capacity starts to come down.......
 

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